Mindy4pole
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I thought I could do one, and then i realized I’d been cheating by not starting from a limp hang https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_razz.gif So now I’m working on that.
WHAAA!!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cry.gif I didn’t know you had to start w/a limp hang. I tried that last night, and I can’t pull up from that position at all! My shoulders have a tendency to (painlessly) dislocate, so that position is scary for me. I guess I’ll just have to keep working on it! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif
Mindy
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Can you do a crossed ankle release? That’s how I get into Bow and Arrow. Then I can just lock my foot around the pole, and it does most of the work of holding me up, so my hands aren’t having to do so much gripping.
A tip Veena gave me when I was trying to do broken pencil was to try it with a rubber kitchen glove. It works GREAT! I posted a video of me trying it. Check it out in my profile. But watch out, the glove might pull YOUR pants down too! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_lol.gif
Mindy
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MMM! These DO sound good, but I think I’ll replace the Splenda with something else… Maybe maple syrup? I’m really nervous about using artificial sweeteners. I feel like they provoke an inappropriate insulin response, among other things.
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This was a nice video. There were a couple of spots where I did feel like it was more of a gymnastics performance than a dance, but there were only a few moments. One was where she posed before going into her last series on the fixed pole. It was just SO gymnastics floor-work form. I don’t think there is anything wrong with taking elements from other systems and bringing them to pole dance, but it was like she brought it in without any modifications. It was just a little, um… stark? for me. I can’t quite get the right word.
Using the term "authentic" makes me think of the dance I used to be competitively involved with – West Coast Swing (WCS). I’ve taken intensives from some of the top people in the dance, and one of them said something to the effect that "the champions are the enemies of the dance, because they are the ones who redefine it." I think there is a lot of truth in that. In the decade or so I’ve been doing WCS, I’ve seen different "fads". Sometimes dancing super sexy and flashing your bottom while you are spinning is "cool". Sometimes it is basics executed flawlessly with nuanced musicality. Sometimes it is tight spins and tricky arm moves. Right now, quick footwork seems to be in style. But underlying it all, there is are some standard features.
I see that there is a worldwide movement of standardization in the pole world, largely thanks to the internet. I believe there will be more competitions as standards develop, and you will see the various styles of poling become popular. One thing people seem to really want is "new". So, one year, it’s sexy floorwork, another spins, another feats of acrobatics, another contortion-ism, etc. I think one advantage this dance/art form has is that it DOES have a constant — the pole.
So… I think "authentic" just means that it is not from the era that poster was used to. She shouldn’t worry about it getting lost, though. Fashions seem to always be recycling!
Mindy
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Honeyrose, I was interested in what you shared. In your first post on this thread, you stated that "as long as there are men on the planet, women will be judged." And in your follow-up post you cited only examples of women judging you, including your best friend and the instructor at your previous studio.
I think David pointed out something important here… I haven’t found it to be MEN who are judging me, but rather women. That’s not just pole dancing, either. I was with a guy for years that was significantly older than me, and I’m a very affectionate person. We often got dirty looks when we were out together — not from men, but from women. How DARE I hold his hand or touch his leg!! I find the same in my swing dancing. It’s become a joke btwn my hubby and I that I know my dancing is "on" when I’m getting glared at! It was the annoyance of having that experience even in the world of pole dance that prompted me to start this thread.
Mindy, I will confess that as I am neither female nor heterosexual, I have no direct personal experience of what it is like to possess the sexuality of either heterosexuals or females. So you might be correct, I may just not get it.
Not to worry… I’m both female and heterosexual, and I don’t really get it, either!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif Women are, in general, very confusing to me. It seems as if male culture has well defined power structures. My hubby calls it "F scale". Female culture, however, seems to be a constant shifting sea of alliances and covert power plays. I suppose that’s one reason I’ve always been friends w/ guys. That’s also why StudioVeena impresses me soooooo much! There is a big group of women together, and they actually support each other!! WOW!
SOOOOO… to shift the topic slightly (partly because I just loooove the passion that people have displayed in their opinions!!) here’s a question… Regardless of how much of your sexuality you bring into your pole dancing, how has pole dancing affected your sex life? No need to be graphic, but I’ve found that my increases in strength and flexibility have definitely made things better! It’s also helped me when I have to work on my dryer, or crawl under the house, but those are on another topic. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_razz.gif
Mindy
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Congrats!!! I love Brass Monkey (I just can’t bring myself to call it "BM", though!! To me BM=Bowel Movement, but I have a baby, so that’s a fairly constant topic! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif )
I can only do it from CAR, and I discovered the leg placement by accident. I’ve started working on the straight-egde approach, but I have a REALLY hard time holding on. The times I’ve tried, my whole body went CLUNKING down hard! Lucky for me, I was practicing over a mattress! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_blackeye.gif
https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif for Sassafrassle!
Mindy
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Julie — Jenyne advised us to work on the turn for apprentice/superman on the floor first to understand the body movement. I still can’t do it that way, but I thought I’d pass on the advice! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
I took my own advice, and practiced this on the ground tonight. I discovered something you might find useful. When I focused on trying to bring my knee through the "window", it wouldn’t work (as always!) But then I started thinking about just turning my body over, and *AMAZING* there was just enough room for my leg! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif
I really mean JUST enough room. I’m still not doing it quite right b/c my ankle bone scraped across the pole. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_surprised.gif But hey! I’ve never been able to do it that well!Let me know if this works for you.
Mindy
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Since this has turned into a superman thread… Here’s a link with lots of superman combos. She doesn’t do the apprentice->superman, though.
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Julie — Jenyne advised us to work on the turn for apprentice/superman on the floor first to understand the body movement. I still can’t do it that way, but I thought I’d pass on the advice! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
Mindy
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Oh David — you stirred up some folks with this one!! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
Last, I have to wonder sometimes, who are we trying to turn on? Most of the "whoos" you hear when a pole performer starts doing sexy floor dancing are straight females cheering for straight females. I believe that the most common type of pole dance enthusiast is the suburban housewife. And from what I can tell, most formal pole dance performances and competitions are primarily attended by other straight female pole dancers. Does it really serve anyone to go before an audience of unsuited and probably unavailable persons and act like we want to excite them sexually? And are we, as an audience, really doing this art and its highest calibre vanguards any service by encouraging them to use the same sexual dance style they use all the time? It’s nice to encourage our friends, of course. But maybe we could encourage them to do something cool instead. Perhaps we can encourage them to break out of their comfort zones, which primarily contain average, common strip-club moves and facial expressions to match. Leading with the butt, in my opinion, is not the most endearing way to engage an audience, but that’s just my feeling. I’m sure there are some audience members who would enjoy being approached butt-first by the performers. But still. Heterosexual women being sexy for each other and pretending to be excited about it makes me giggle a little.
You see, I want a place where I, an urban housewife and pole enthusiast, can performed in front of an audience. I prefer them to be "unavailable" so that my performance in no way makes them feel entitled to get anything else out of me.
I think your post shows a lack of understanding of female sexuality. You’re a guy, you think like a guy. That’s cool! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif But many women have a much broader sense of sexuality. Also, I think for many women, the "turn-on" is just as much fun as the actual sex. So the heterosexual woman performing and/or watching MAY, in fact, feel turned on, even though she doesn’t have any intent of doing anything.
Also, for many women, performing "average, common strip-club moves and facial expressions" is VERY much out of their comfort zone and is very cool. So, if you giggle, do it very quietly, or wait till you get home.
Sex is a bigger deal for women than men — and I mean that in a strictly biological way. Although there are effective means of birth control now, every act of intercourse carries with it the huge risk of pregnancy (and disease). For our ancestors, pregnancy meant a significant risk of death. So, I believe, our pleasure systems grew to be much broader. I want to be able to share my sexual/sensual power with others in a good, safe way. For mean, this means display only.
I appreciate the artistic side as well, and I totally agree w/ you about dancing to "different" types of songs. I think, for me, though that merging what ever emotion a song speaks to me and sexuality is magic and fun! Because sometimes, sex is silly, or sad, or animalistic, or whatever!
To EVERYONE posting on this thread — THANK YOU!!! It really gives me a lot to think about.
Mindy
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I thought your video looks REALLY good! But yeah, the slipping can be very frustrating. What I find helpful… When you are inverted after the release, think about tilting your pelvis forward. That makes your legs turn out slightly, and for me, closes the gap btwn my legs. By forward, I mean pubic bone tucked toward your belly button and the whole hip unit pushed forward. My normal posture has a backward tilting pelvis, so I’ve been practice, practice, practicing this. It seems to make many moves work better — like you body becomes more of a unit.
Mindy
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I love my quick smile and twinkling eyes.
I love my long neck and my collar bones.
I love my breasts and nipples. My nipples were inverted as a kid, but time and 11 months of nursing has made them pokey!
I love my pale skin.
I love my hips, the way they move.
I love my looooong legs. After almost every class w/ the full length mirrors, I come out saying "damn, I have long legs!"
I love my pointed toes.I also love my uterus and vagina. They performed a miracle housing and delivering my little girl. That’s sort of more "inside" though. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
Mindy
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great! thanks for the pick! am going to try fri when i have someone coming over to pole w me. will see if she can use my webcam top tape me and will (try ) post on here wether i get it or just fall on my face. we’ll see… https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
Woo hoo, I can’t wait! I think this will be an unexpected, cool move.
Mindy
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Out researching a completely different topic on the net tonight, I ran across a post from someone saying that their DivaCup had pulled out their IUD. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_eek.gif
I have no clue the validity of this statement, but if you have an IUD, you might want to ask your Dr. about the DivaCup.Mindy
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i am still not sure what hero or apprentice is.. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_question.gif
is there a vid? i cant even imagine being lucky enough to have any class w jennye b. what amazing talent.I copied this from wikipole:
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I have my straight leg in front of the pole, but other wise is the same. I got the apprentice->superman transition from Jenyne, but I can’t get my knee/leg through into superman.
The steps for my combo (in my head) are cradle spin, and as you come around, put your legs into apprentice… Then pull your knee through the window of your arm and the pole, and flip your body over into superman. I figure a lot of folks know the app->superman transition b/c of Jenyne.
THANKS!
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I think its funny that barefoot is considered less sexy! I dated a man w/ a thing for bare feet, so to me, they are the ULTIMATE sexy. When I’m in heels, I’m just walking. When I’m barefoot, I’m pointing my toes as hard as I can and really paying attention to my legs. Which just goes to show… Sexy is what ever it is to the person doing it!!
And poledanceromance — thanks for the dolphin info! I forgot about them! Bonobos (another primate) also do lots of sex play, but I’m not sure about actual intercourse. I’m a big science nerd, too! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
