Lost Moves

ThunderKat started this discussion · 2/19/2013

Hi Veeners! I was wondering if any of you have experience with the dreaded "Lost Moves..." A couple months ago I started nailing my cartwheel handsprings. I started experimenting with what I could do in the pose and actually became quite cocky about it (which is natural, I believe.) One day a few weeks ago I had done a few too far many attempts and my muscles became fatigued. I went in for one last handspring and my bottom hand gave out and I came down crashing HARD. Since this moment I have really psychced myself out and whether it be brain or body, I cannot do this move anymore. It's lost. I can't even wrap my head around the mechanics of it anymore (probably because I made myself so tired that the mechanics failed me.) Does anyone have tips for regaining moves that they have "psyched" themselves out of? I'm currently abroad in Berlin at the moment (don't speak any German) and I don't have a relationship with anyone at any pole studios yet, so I'm a bit on my own when it comes to spotters and sharing "pole feelings." ;-) Cheers everyone! Kate xx

17 replies

Lyme Lyte · 2/19/2013
I got my shoulder mount 9 months ago, them bam! It was gone. Just now have it back and I hope for good this time!
Elektra Vallens · 2/19/2013
I seem to have (hopefully temporarily) lost my flag lift, which may be because I haven't been doing as much oblique strengthening as I was before. I never really understood the mechanics of the move, which didn't help either. It just sort of happened after trying for a long time. @ThunderKat - I've never had a fall with a handspring or cartwheel, but I still have problems with them that come and go, especially with the twisted grip handspring. i keep waiting for it to be reliable, but it's just not yet. My advice would be to take a look at Veena's lesson on the cartwheel, to remind yourself of the mechanics. Haben sie Spass in Berlin! (Have fun in Berlin!) If you haven't been already, you should check out the neighbourhoods of Freidrichshain and Kreuzberg in eastern Berlin. There's a ton of cool bars and shops there. (I used to live in Paris, and take trips to Berlin from time to time...ah, I miss it)
calipolepixie · 2/19/2013
I've lost my butterfly & superman :(
XxMyztikxX · 2/19/2013
I temporarily lost the comfort of my drops.... especially the superman fall. Need to revisit this.
XxMyztikxX · 2/19/2013
I thought i was going to phyche my self out with the iguana mount. Bc of that move i got a minor concussion. but it wasnt bc of the move. it was bc i was stupid at the an decided, after i being my legs back down to touch the floor that i was going to bend my knees to get out of it an for some reason let go of my hands an i with force crashed into the floor with my head. I seem to do it fine ever since then but i am alot more acreful with it now.. getting out of it.
blondebird · 2/19/2013
Yes happens to some moves with me like the noodle! I feel like I'm twisting my knee out when I try now!
ThunderKat · 2/21/2013
Elektra: I'm living in Mitte at the moment and find myself escaping to Kreuzberg often! Also been thinking that even though I love Berlin to bits I might be more suited to live in Paris (considering I can actually speak French...although everyone really does speak English here anyway.) But yes, I am not pleased with "unreliable moves." I have a competition in a few weeks and there's so many moves I'd like to include, moves I've been doing for years, but I just don't trust them under pressure. Practice practice practice! Blondebird et al: I'm having a bit of schadenfreude right now - it's good to know I'm not the only one losing moves here! I have a suggestion from a Personal Trainer friend of mine, who suggests I actually try round offs & cartwheels o the floor to get my bravery back. What's funny is I can be upside down on the pole no problem, but take away the pole, and I'm a scared little rabbit! I will let you all know how this works. xx
Hazi411 · 2/21/2013
I lost my "upside down V" (helicopter/chopper) for a while, but it seems to be back now. I just wish I could nail the same move from *up* the pole, but sadly I haven't had success with this. I did do it once, with my feet *just* off the floor, but it must've been beginners luck!
Kyrsten · 2/21/2013
I lost my cocoon! Lol. I can still do it on a fat or grippy pole, but on a 45mm chrome.... It's weird because it used to be very secure for me, I even put it in a competition routine!
ThunderKat · 2/21/2013
That's the thing Kyrsten! I wonder if I'm psyching myself out even because I know I want to handspring in my competition routine...maybe the pressure is too much hehe And I totally agree about pole circumference affecting trick. I feel like I've learned so much on the fatty poles that it's hard to appreciate the ease of a skinny grip :-)
blondebird · 2/21/2013
Kyrsten - That's interesting, does the skinny pole really affect the cocoon? I have a 50mm and thinking of getting a 40mm, will I have problems in that move on that?
phoenix kazree · 2/22/2013
This week I've lost my TG to meathook on spin for the second time. I have it in a piece that I'm performing on March 2nd and 3rd, so I have to get it back ASAP. I've done the cocoon on 38mm up to 50mm and I don't have grip problems on skinnier poles.
ThunderKat · 2/22/2013
Phoenix - So what would your best suggestion be then for how to deal with these "lost moves" that we have secured in our pieces? Would you have a "Just Do It" attitude, or would you play it safe and have a "Plan B" if you predict that you won't nail it come show time? I haven't had a grip problem with pole size on the cocoon either, but definitely for other things that involve more thighs and armpits. It's not less secure, just less comfortable...
phoenix kazree · 2/22/2013
First order of business, ALWAYS have a plan B if you are not 100% sure of your ability to nail the skill in performance. I don't lose moves often, but when I do, I video myself effing it up. Then I compare the whack video to videos where I execute it perfectly. I try to pin point what I'm doing differently and this usually this fixes it. If I'm still not secure...Plan B.
ThunderKat · 2/22/2013
Super good point. I think this competition I'm having a few plans of action: Plan B for Lost Moves, Plan C for Jet Lag, Plan D for unbeknownst forces of nature... I'll try videoing!
Black Orchid · 2/22/2013
Usually my "lost moves"come from not practicising them regularly because...only so much time to devote to pole time. Those include cartwheel tumble, shoulder mount to side flip/split, batwing...usually stuff I nail in a workshop and then can never quite recreate...LOL But on the other side of that theory are the moves that I had been nailing consistently that I have been ballsing up the following week...a current lost combo that is making me sad is my superman to cradle to pike to scorpio drop. It looked awesome for a few weeks and now I'm falling out of it. I'm hoping its becuase my shoulders are exhausted from other moves so I'm laying off for a little while and just walking through it every so often so I don't forget it.
PippiParnasse · 2/22/2013
@Elektra I also lived in Paris and have spent time in Berlin. (And live in Boston as you know.) Random!