Dayanara started this discussion ·
So I've tried aysha a couple times and I always have to quickly hook my legs back to the pole, they start moving around and I have no control, what muscles should I work to be able to get this move? is this a core strength issue? Any help would be appreciated!!! 🙂
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I have problems with this move as well - I'm doing it with the split grip as I have yet to be taught either elbow or forearm grip. I get my body lined up straight with the pole to take my legs off and as soon as I start lowering my legs, the weight of my bum swings me to one side! 😂 I can't seem to keep myself in line at all. And then there's the grip! I'm so worried about my grip going that i am nervous about taking my legs off. I have managed this a few times, but seem to forget how to do it every time I go up to try. Has anybody tried gloves to help with the grip issues when trying initially to learn new moves? If so, are there any you would recommend? Sorry I'm no use to you on this one but thought it worth adding my twopenneth as well 😳
RoxyPink ·
I'm doing it with the split grip as I have yet to be taught either elbow or forearm grip. I would think that you should be taught either elbow grip or forearm grip WAY before split grip as this is much more advanced than the other two!! 🤔 I think elbow grip and forearm grip help prepare you for split grips!! 😀 With the elbow grip it allows the body to extend further away from the pole. Caterpillar up into squating position, put the pole in the crook of your elbow (keep forearm parallel to floor). Allow your hips to slowly extend away from the pole..when you feel comfortable with this then you can take your feet off. The key to the elbow grip is the idea of push-pull. You will "pull" the pole with your arm that grips at the elbow and you will "push" with your arm that is extended down the pole. the "pull" part to me is the most important. You will not stay up if you rely on your skin to hold you there...you must pull with that arm! As far as forearm grip...I do everything pretty much the same with the exception of how my arm is gripping the pole. in this case to me there is some skin grip (along the whole forearm) that is helping but there is still the element of pulling. Your body will not be able to extend away from the pole as much as with elbow grip. I think of this one as keeping my chest close to the pole and my hips much further away. Your body will also be off to the side opposite the arm you are gripping with...this allows you to not shoot straight down the pole!..which i've done! 😂 Not sure if any of that helped!! 😜 I'm sure there are a lot of good tips out there...
Thank you so much for the tips on these grips. I tried them (again!) last night, but I just can't seem to get it. I get upside down and my brain empties on to the floor 😂 If anybody wants to do a tutorial - making it an idiots guide to the aysha and the different grips, I would be eternally grateful 😀
Dayanara ·
the grip is not a problem for me, I do stay up rather well, it's my legs swingging around with no control....sigh* a tutorial would be nice tho. 🙂
One thing that I must do to be able to get into an aysha is the caterpilla. I've read many dancers say that they also do this to be able to have their arms in the right position. As you push your body up, the arms will kinda 'lock' into place. I've JUST posted a video doing the elbow grip aysha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae0Ob5qbtJw I think it's best if you work on your forearm grip aysha and the caterpillar before doing the elbow grip and split grip aysha, just so you can built strength in your bottom arm and practice balancing your body when letting go of the pole with your legs. Good luck, keep trying cause this moves feels sooo good when you get it 🙂
Dayanara ·
Thank you so much, I can do the caterpillar, and I haven't gone into the split grip or elbow grip, using the forearm grip for now, I guess all I need is more practice, lots of it! 🙂
I think it's best if you work on your forearm grip aysha and the caterpillar before doing the elbow grip and split grip aysha, just so you can built strength in your bottom arm and practice balancing your body when letting go of the pole with your legs. Do you have your usual dominant arm to the bottom? My problem seems to be that I caterpillar up - get the elbow grip and my positioning all right and every time without fail I slide back so my body is up against the pole. You think it's probably just a case of building up some more strength in my arms? And that grip hurts my elbow - am presuming that's normal tho because every pole moves kills when you're first learning it! 😨
I think it's best if you work on your forearm grip aysha and the caterpillar before doing the elbow grip and split grip aysha, just so you can built strength in your bottom arm and practice balancing your body when letting go of the pole with your legs. Do you have your usual dominant arm to the bottom? My problem seems to be that I caterpillar up - get the elbow grip and my positioning all right and every time without fail I slide back so my body is up against the pole. You think it's probably just a case of building up some more strength in my arms? And that grip hurts my elbow - am presuming that's normal tho because every pole moves kills when you're first learning it! 😨 Yes, my dominant arm is on the bottom but whichever arm you're practicing with on the bottom will become the dominant arm since you'll be building strength doing the move. For me, as well as building strength, I need enough grip behind my elbows (rather top of forearm and bottom of biceps), to be able to keep myself up. For this I rub the tiniest amount of sorbelene cream (which is cheap and oil free) on this area. This grip doesn't hurt my elbow but I have bruising at the bottom of my biceps. This move isn't all that painful compared to some of the other pole moves. Before you let go of your legs try to position your body away from the pole and slowly transfer your weight to your elbows and bottom arm. When you feel like you've got a grip then slowly let go of legs. Good luck!
Woo-hoo!!!!!! I got the split grip ayesha a few times last night at class - held it once, by resting one of my legs on my top arm but am most happy with me 😀 Thanks for all the tips on here. I now need to work on the swinging legs like Dayanara - it seems to me my bum is too heavy 😂 and tries to go off to one side. Mind you, I think this is all about working on my core and getting that strengthened. It's so good when you nail something new isn't it? 🥂
this was the move i had wanted to learn soooo bad and i was super excited when i got it. 🤸 now get this, the first time i did this it was a spur of the monent thing where i was just so done with not getting this move so i just went to my room where the pole has barely any space between bed (which has very hard wood corners that tend to get in the way, ) and had no mat, no spotter, and was just relying on pure determinatiion. 😈 i got it and than did it again to get it on tape. i felt so comfortable with it i thought i finally had it. 🥂 well since those first few times i have only been able to do i t a hand full of times and only very breifly before i feel myself losing my bablance. 🙁 not too long ago i fell off the pole in this position and was very lucky my ego was the only thing bruised, but it really scared me and haven't been able to do it since. 😳 😲 😢 does anyone have any tips on balance? is straight edge easier? i have been able to (very breifly) do split grip aysha but was using forarm grip when fell. any tips on this move would be great! 🫡 🤔 🤓
the grip is not a problem for me, I do stay up rather well, it's my legs swingging around with no control....sigh* a tutorial would be nice tho. 🙂 It's probably core strength then that's giving you problems. I'm speaking about a move I won't be able to do for a long time, LOL. But that's what it "looks" like. 😀
Jenyne Butterfly taught me something that has helped sooo much with my elbow grip ayeshas- just imagine punching yourself in the chest while you are doing it. The leg thing.. may be balance. Mine is practice good but not "performance ready" for that very reason. I am just going to try to practice it once a week (bout all the time i have for pole) and hold it as long as possible each time.
Think I've decided that split grip is easier! Got the ayesha a few more times last night as well as one attempt at a jacknife. I just can't wrap my head around this forearm elbow grip malarky 🤔 I know the theory and what I should be doing, but I can't seem to persuade my body to get on with it and do it. Ah well tho - am sure I'll get there eventually. 😀
amy ·
i've just gotten comfy with forearm grip and i'm working on elbow, but it hurts the skin on the inside of my elbow!!~ just need to work up to handling the pain of it, haha. the split grip ayesha sounds tough! i have been working up to it by doing extended butterfly and then hopefully getting comfy with taking my legs off the pole.
I think that the split grip is the way I'm going to try it first. I feel really comfortable with that grip and the elbow grip just looks painful! LOL
thats so funny bc i also seem to feel liike the split grip is easier. i have done it briefly a few times. i know its suppouse to be the harder but i guess its personal preferance. well always looking for more tips so anything you got that you think might help would be appreciated 💣
carriej ·
I think it is so dead-on what loopie said about getting upside down and then her brain spills out onto the floor. This is how I felt forever trying to the get extended butterfly!!! I would get upside down and then all of a sudden didn't know if I was pointing my leg behind me, in front of me, straight up at the ceiling??!! I finally learned it at pole class where I could look at myself while upside down in the mirror! I'm gonna begin attempts at Aysha today! Wish me luck and patience!
mizvix ·
I'm still trying to steady myself with the split-grip Ayesha, but i find easiest way in is normal butterfly. With extended butterfly your hips and pelvis are really far away from the pole and its difficult to swing your extended leg back to pole without overbalancing, unless you have abs of steel (i don't 😢 ) With ordinary, i find it's a bit more manageable!
Does anyone have any tips on balance? is straight edge easier? i have been able to (very breifly) do split grip aysha but was using forarm grip when fell. any tips on this move would be great! When i'm teaching this to my girls, I suggest that rather than just taking their legs off, they move their knees apart and their feet down and do a froggy type position where their feet are stilll on the pole but their knees are pointing out. This helps to move your bum further away from the pole.try to find your balance point while your feet are on. Then when you feel comfortable. slowly take your feet off. I find the split grip much easier than the elbow (mind you, that's probably because i like it so i practice it more... bad habit!) but for both of them, your balance point is easier to find the further your bum is from the pole. I wouldn't say that the straight edge is necessarily easier, but once you've conquered the aysha, it doesn't take as long to feel comfortable with the straight edge 😉
Thank you so much. It's very useful. Hope I can get to Aysha. I have been trying on this since 2 month. Seems difficult for me to get the balance I'm doing it with the split grip as I have yet to be taught either elbow or forearm grip. I would think that you should be taught either elbow grip or forearm grip WAY before split grip as this is much more advanced than the other two!! 🤔 I think elbow grip and forearm grip help prepare you for split grips!! 😀 With the elbow grip it allows the body to extend further away from the pole. Caterpillar up into squating position, put the pole in the crook of your elbow (keep forearm parallel to floor). Allow your hips to slowly extend away from the pole..when you feel comfortable with this then you can take your feet off. The key to the elbow grip is the idea of push-pull. You will "pull" the pole with your arm that grips at the elbow and you will "push" with your arm that is extended down the pole. the "pull" part to me is the most important. You will not stay up if you rely on your skin to hold you there...you must pull with that arm! As far as forearm grip...I do everything pretty much the same with the exception of how my arm is gripping the pole. in this case to me there is some skin grip (along the whole forearm) that is helping but there is still the element of pulling. Your body will not be able to extend away from the pole as much as with elbow grip. I think of this one as keeping my chest close to the pole and my hips much further away. Your body will also be off to the side opposite the arm you are gripping with...this allows you to not shoot straight down the pole!..which i've done! 😂 Not sure if any of that helped!! 😜 I'm sure there are a lot of good tips out there...
mizvix ·
After some thought i've realised that i have done elbow grip - we call it something different - inverted v! it is much easier than aisha spilt grip lol!!! 😀 still working on getting good balance with split grip tho! thanks for advice! xo
carriej ·
I just got the split grip aysha a couple of days ago. A few things that really helped me: watching videos of people doing it especially the tutorial simpllysweet did for joel on youtube, sliding my feet down the pole like a frog (just practiced that for a couple of weeks), and then looking at myself upside down in a mirror as I tried it (which somehow helped me balance).
I ended up getting the split grip aysha by watching some else teach someone else and I just tried on my own while no one was looking at bam, LOL. I was eavesdropping on some good instruction and it worked. Thanks Angel....wh was actually teaching the straightedge, that I got first then the Aysha right after so I still thank her. 😂
So... I am working on ayshas a bit at the moment. Maybe should have practiced and nailed these a bit earlier, but honestly I haven't had the time and opportunity until now. My pole at home is too short to straight edge and chrome is so slippy that I slide down in my ayshas which freaks me out a bit. Good news though, I am moving up to the next level of classes at the studio and we can request moves to work on and there is more freedom to show off because it's the highest level... I've got forearm aysha very solid from the previous level and at home practice and could now try taking it to straight edge. I have SG aysha from a butterfly so I might get my split grip aysha from a scorpio and TG from a CAR because I know we'll be working on them. I've tried them both once and didn't get the right grip and balance combo. I've also tried TG handpsring and can get it once every four tries... but it's pretty harsh on the body! Someone actually spotting me will help for all of them. Anyway, I've been thinking. What are all the ways to get into Aysha? Straight edge (but how do I get into that first?) Caterpillar (elbow and forearm, is split grip possible?) Butterfly (split grip, are elbow and forearm possible?) Scorpio (split grip) Reverse Aysha (TG, is split grip possible?) CAR (TG, is it possible with SG?) Handspring (SG and TG, I think there might be a forearm version of this) Can I get into them from anything else?
Anyway, I've been thinking. What are all the ways to get into Aysha? Straight edge (but how do I get into that first?) Caterpillar (elbow and forearm, is split grip possible?) Butterfly (split grip, are elbow and forearm possible?) Scorpio (split grip) Reverse Aysha (TG, is split grip possible?) CAR (TG, is it possible with SG?) Handspring (SG and TG, I think there might be a forearm version of this) Can I get into them from anything else? so it took about 15 minutes but i think i figured this out TG is twisted grip right? but anyway I do split grip catipilar all the time so it is possible, I can do it with an elbow grip but it is none to pleased about beeing forced into doing my hands job, and I have no clue how the forearm grip is sopposed to really hold you up because it just drops me. but anyway how would you go from CAR to aysha or from the scorpio, has anyone seen a video for these because I really can't visualise them? and what does the reverse look like? and I got my first completely horrible aysha the other day it looks disastrous but it is mine so I love it.
