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Unethical competitions
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@ AMy…I'm certainly not accusing you of making any claims and I, as everyone else, certainly appreciates your dedication to making the competition world a better place!!! I'm just pointing out that the wheel may have been already created…or at least started…and we don't have to start from scratch. Hopefully organizations that have put this into the works will help get the ball rolling.
And by no means is MY competittion the only one that is ethical. There are many that have already proven themselves as being above board. Florida Pole Fitness Championships and Pacific Pole Championships just to name a couple. I hope I didn't come across as thinking mine was the only one!
I just want to turn this into a more positive outlook that many organizers already are using these same criteria and there really isn't anything new about it to THOSE competitions.
Your ideas to get everyone to contribute are awesome…in fact that is exactly what I also suggested since I'll be part of that committee you mentioned! We fully intend to use the suggestions from the community and to use the groundwork already laid by these reputable competitions and organizers.
The future looks bright for competitions – we are still growing and a lot of people want to learn from the past.
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sad to say but no matter what, there will always be someone insatisfied with the competitions!
someone who will think its biaised ect ect
its hard to find judges who dont know the competititors ect ect
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@empyrean, I think we are agreeing, I’m really not taking your comments personally.
@oliviaa, it’s true that people will disagree about who should have won. But i feel that is a small part of a competition when you are talking about ethics– we also need to think about protecting the competitors and making sure that competitions don’t take advantage of them. For example, making sure that they know the judging criteria and how each round will run and be scored. Not all competitions are good about informing them of that!
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If you look through the forum here you will see that this is NOT the first time these issues have been brought up. There has been great debate after quite a few of the large competitions and things that have happened.
Worlds: https://www.studioveena.com/forums/view/4754
General Competitions: https://www.studioveena.com/forums/view/4792
Online Voting: https://www.studioveena.com/forums/view/4542
IPDFA: https://www.studioveena.com/forums/view/4dc20488-1328-4782-a88f-463c0ac37250
APFC: https://www.studioveena.com/forums/view/4e1e016b-0984-437b-89af-5f280ac37250
These conversations have been going on for several years and some people are listening and some are not. I don't think any of us are trying to downplay any of the competitors, that is not what this conversation is about. This conversation is about finding a set of standards and as a community holding competiitions to those standards. PDC has done just that and I am not sure why organizations that clearly are pushing for Olympic approval are not abiding by a set standard. I cannot seem to find the information I am about to reference, but I believed that for admission of a sport that there needed to be a set standard by which the sport was judged and that standard needed to be recognized by a set number of countries. Empy, I know you are well versed in this subject. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Chem, yes I'm involved as I am Chair of the Technical Committee for Pole Sports Organization which is setting the first competition with criteria which will hopefully, eventually, end in the Olympics.
I did not see the original source from which our criteria was based as that was drawn up by KT Coates and Tim Trautman. KT Coates and I developed the criteria for rules and guidelines based on these documents (which were hundreds of pages long) and then distributed it among out committee members for finalizings and adapting it to pole.
Then we brought on people like Natalie Takanawa (head judge for the IPDFA) and Ania Przeplasko (head of the IPDFA) and several other people from around the world to develop our own rules and criteria based upon the guidelines set by the International Olympic Organization.
It is the hope that these rules and criteria will be the standards for pole competitions around the world. So actually the PDC and the Pole Sports Organization are aleady working toward this goal.
It is several of us from both of these organizations plus many other well-known names in the pole industry who are in the process of setting a meeting to bring us all together to work on some uniformity among competitions.
I believe KT already publicized the rules and criteria but I'll have to search for it. – I'm not certain as we've done so much work on this for the past year and half that it's a bit of a blur what I saw posted and where!
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I should also add that while I developed the criteria for Midwest and now the North American Championships – they were developed with the same criteria we are using for IPSF (the pole Olympic org) and then organizations like Florida Pole Fitness Championships and Pacific Pole Championships followed the criteria I used to develop their own guidelines in a way that reflected their vision.
So we all have been working together already. Rules and scoring doesn't need to be the exact same as different organizations will have different visions of the focus of their competitions but it really is happening already.
I'm not at liberty to say but there is something really big and exciting coming soon but we aren't ready to present things publicly just yet.
So please…keep the ideas coming! We are listening and are happy to hear your thoughts!
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anyways, competitions in the US are looking a lot more professional than here in canada
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I know Body and Pole is a top studio but why would a Comp organizer allow several judges from that studio to judge when they have students of their own competing? that is not fair! Thoughts…….
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I know Body and Pole is a top studio but why would a Comp organizer allow several judges from that studio to judge when they have students of their own competing? that is not fair! Thoughts…….
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In relation to instructors/studio owners judging their own students at competitions – I think this is fine. I wouldn't want 75% of the judging panel to be from one school or anything, but to be honest I would rather be judged by someone from a competing pole school than someone who doesnt know enough about pole! And pickings can be pretty slim some times – just because someone is a good pole performer, or makes pole costumes, or used to do gymnastics, I doesnt necessarily mean they would be a competent pole judge. So I'd hate to see someone less suitable picked over a good judge, just because the latter has their own girls in the lineup. The criteria and judging systems should be set up in such a way as to to prevent bias so things like knowing people who are competing should be less of an issue.
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