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Brass X-pole!
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That really annoys me to find out that xpoles are not solid brass. Had I known, it might have affected my decision in what pole I got.
Having said that- I really love brax(my poles name lol) he’s fabulous and really grippy provided I get him all heated up – hee hee.
It totally suits my situation to have a removable two piece pole but having
said that – my ultimate choice would be the pussycat pole! -
TinyDancer!! Thank you SOOO much, you give me hope for some hold on my new brass friend! Thanks so much for sending me some info on how to stick to my Brass pole, because it was not looking hopeful at all!!!
You rule. Can'nt wait to try.
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TinyDancer!! Thank you SOOO much, you give me hope for some hold on my new brass friend! Thanks so much for sending me some info on how to stick to my Brass pole, because it was not looking hopeful at all!!!
You rule. Can'nt wait to try.
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I contacted x pole last night to call them out on whether this pole was 100% brass or not, I was pretty blunt in the letter, but I purposally paid extra for a pole that was 100% brass, and was mad as hell if this thing wasn't. I own a 1 piece brass pole, and the x pole feels nothing like it, anyways this is what the company wrote back.
"The integrity of our company and customer service is VERY important to us.
Please if you are unhappy simply call the office to discuss your issues with us. In addition, If you don't understand our product we will be happy to explain it you and answer any of your questions.
Many of your statements below are incorrect and untrue. Please be aware before you consider publicly posting any of these untrue statements regarding our patented products that legal action can be taken. **that made me laugh, great way to keep customers lady**
We value feedback (both good and bad) from the pole dance community, but when people post incorrect information regarding our product it is confusing for all those involved.
Below are some correct answers to your questions.
The 45mm Brass X-Pert is DEFINITELY brass. It is not a finish nor is it plated like our titanium gold model.
The reason it feels different than other brass poles on the market is because of the level of polishing that is done on our brass X-Perts. We thoroughly product tested the brass with various levels of polishing and it was unanimous among the top pole dancers all over the world that the one we released had the best grip.
I have looked over the Studio Veena link you provided and cannot find any negative comments. **I'm guessing she didn't read the lower portion of the thread**
Brass is a porous and softer metal that requires a special oil during the machining process. Because of this the pole might feel slippery at first and you need to "break in" your pole. During this "break in" period the "slippery" oils that are used in machining gets replaced by your natural "sticky" body oils and grip aids that can be used.
The result is the best grip pole on the market!
A few people have had similar concerns when they first received their brass pole. After the 2 week "break in" period they and have contacted us absolutely thrilled with the product explaining that the grip has significantly improved.
The reviews we have gotten from professional pole champions like Zoraya Judd to amatuer pole dancers have been very positive!!"
So anyways according to the american branch of x pole the things are 100% brass, I received my pole a month ago but havn't had time to "break it in" becuse of a shoulder injury. after it's healed I"ll put the hours on it and see if working on it will actually imporve the grip. I"ll give it the benefit of the doubt, but i'm still pretty rotted it's not a grippy as my single piece brass.
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I talked to Kimara as well abotu the finish of the pole. I am one of the people in her letter. The grip did improve and I chose not to exchange my pole for a chrome ( i get to practice on chrome at the studio already), but I wouldn't go as far to say I'm "thrilled" with it. Infact, I also think it's not 100% brass.
It does get stickier with use, much stickier. But it never feels like brass, it's a different type of sticky. It requires a lot of warming up, even in summer and once it gets sticky, it's very sticky on my body and legs but slippy on my hands. On other brass poles, I never have hand grip issues. But on this pole, I have to use tite grip. If anything it feels a bit like stainless steel combined with brass…does that make sense to anyone.
I'm actually planning on replacing it with a PS one piece when I finally own a home (aiming 1-2 years). I was going to sell it, but I'm beginnign to think not many peopel would want it after seeing the response from other polers as well as from myself.
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@moonflower yeah that made perfect sense about the combination.
That’s what they said it was, a ‘mix’ of brass, alloy and something else.@upandover I tend not to believe what they are telling you.
I don’t understand how, if solid brass is a very soft metal, how do the locking grooves withstand the pressure the xjoint locking keys put on the pole?
They would totally destroy the pole.
The other thing I’m not sure of is why would they make the bottom of the pole and the dome from titanium gold? If it really was all 100% brass why not make the whole pole brass and not just some of it?
I still believe there is no way it could be 100% brass for the main reason being the joints would totally ruin the pole.
But that’s just my opinion, and I’m only going from what Xpole Australia have told me. -
Also, I think at the 2-3 weeks point when I talked to x pole, I was so happy I can even stick to it at all(compared to not at all when new) that I was happier with it than I shoudl have been. At that point I really thought that if I worked on it, it will get more and more brass like. It didn't.
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No idea why the dome is TG other than that it looks pretty, but the adjuster cover has screw threads and I don't think that brass would be able to take the regular usage that they get since it is quite a soft metal. Perhaps the dome is TG because of the rotating part?
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I'm not very knowledgable about brass…but from what I understand Chemmie was correct earlier that brass is soft. It definintely scratches easier than the chrome or stainless poles.
I have no particular knowledge about the composition of the XPert poles either. However I'm guessing that the dome takes too much pressure to be made of brass. It could also be a cost factor which may have significantly raised the price of manufacturing the pole so why make a part that you don't grip in brass if you can keep the end cost down for the consumer? (JUST GUESSING HERE)
Also brass poles may be made differently just as not all stainless poles are the same. My understanding is that brass is a combination of copper and zinc and it can be in different percentages. Some manufacturers add lead for stability to some brass products.
Stainless can have different percentages of alloys in it as well which is why some people feel that one company's ss poles grip well when another doesn't.
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alright, after a little reasearch on the different types of brass I dug this up:
The malleability of brass depends on the zinc content; brasses that contain more than 45 percent zinc are not workable, either hot or cold. Such brasses, known as white brasses, are of little industrial importance, though a granulated form is used in brazing (soldering); they also form the basis for certain alloys used in die-casting. The malleable brasses may be further subdivided into those that can be worked cold (generally those with less than 40 percent zinc) and those with a greater zinc content, which require http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/272804/hot-working. The former group, known as the alpha brasses, are widely used in the manufacture of pins, bolts, screws, and ammunition cartridge cases. The beta brasses are less ductile but stronger and thus are suitable for the manufacture of faucet handles, sprinkler heads, window and door fittings, and other fixtures. A third group of brasses includes those with other elements besides copper and zinc, added to improve physical and mechanical properties, corrosion resistance, or machinability or to modify colour. Among these are the lead brasses, which are more easily machined; the naval and admiralty brasses, in which a small amount of tin improves resistance to corrosion by seawater; and the aluminum brasses, which provide strength and corrosion resistance where the http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/406851/naval-brass may fail."
What i'm guessing x pole did was use the "third group" and mixed it with other elements besides copper and zinc, thus they can still claim it as being brass, but because of the other elements it is a lot stronger (and less grippy)
unless someone wants to pay to have it melted down and tested we may never know for sure.
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Thanks 'Upandova'….this sheds some light and makes me go Grrrrrr….hehe. I went to class yesterday and was able to Really compare the brass studio poles with my x-pole…X-Pole brass poles SUCK compared to them. Oh well, I'm just gonna have to find a way round it….its just, i feel that I should'nt have to do this at all…makes me a bit sad really.
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Just this week I was finally going to order my brass x-pole but after seeing these reviews I think I will try the ps one instead… I am really disappointed to hear such bad reviews on an X-pole. Thank you girls for posting and letting us know the deal on them. Does every one like the PS?? Or is there another brass pole out there that is better???
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I really love my Xpole brass 45. I actually like it better than the brass ps pole I tried.
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@reeree hopefully the heat and stuff works for you to make your pole grip better.
I tried the hair dryer onto the pole, heating the room etc too but it didn’t work for me :-/
So glad I sold my brass Xpole. Can’t wait to get my pussycat pole to compare the 2. -
I have a brass Portable PartyPole from PoleDanzer. I find it very grippy. It’s hot and humid where I live BUT then again my entire body is as dry as paper so I reckon the effect of climate is cancelled out.
P.S. I mean grippy compared to my studio’s chrome X-Perts. This is the first brass pole I’ve used.
P.P.S. One drawback of my pole, though, is that the bottom mount that I got is two inches high and about five inches in diameter. I can’t comfortably spin/slide all the way down to the floor unless I have a crash mat that is at least two inches high as well. But maybe that’s just for the removable (pure pressure and friction) poles; the permanent (screwed-in) mounts are probably less obtrusive.
YMMV. HTH!
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Try contacting action poles in canada. They do ship to the U.S. They offer 50mm and 38mm brass only! I have never used them, but after I get my PS star stage, I am getting a 38mm action pole.
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OH! BTW, Bobbi's poles did get back to me and say that they would ship to the U.S. (from Australia, but it would be costly. That is another route you could take if you wanted.
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hun, your better off going with action pole, I only paid $400 for mine with $80 shipping, compared to bobby or pussycat that charge something like $900AD for the pole alone. Their brass is true brass, and has a steel core for strenght.
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alright, here is the second response xpole sent me when asked about the metal mix:
Below is direct from the product designer and managing director of X-Pole International:
"Brass is an Alloy – there is no such thing as ‘Pure’ brass. Brass is a combination mixture of Copper and Zinc. The proportions of zinc and copper can be varied to create a range of brasses with varying properties.
The higher the copper content the softer the brass – and so that is prone to bending and damage. We use a 70:30% ratio (Copper/Zinc) which gives good longitudinal strength together with good damage resistance."
If we made the entire pole brass including the dome and the base then the cost would significantly increase and since brass is not as hard as steel it would be able to withstand less ceiling to floor pressure.
Our goal is to make the X-Pert to be the strongest, sturdiest, and safest professional pressure mounted pole on the market.
In addition, the main reason people wanted the brass is for the grip. As the dancers are not "gripping" either the dome or the base during their routines we decided strength and cost were more important to the design.
Also, whereas one piece lined brass pole are on the market, it is much more difficult from a production standpoint to make a multiple piece portable pole that is lined (weight,cost etc.). By using a proper ratio of Copper & Zinc and thorough product testing we determined we could make a really strong, safe portable brass pole that received great reviews.
Sorry I wasn't able to read the whole Studio Veena thread, but I did come across some good reviews on the brass as well."
The part about having the dome and base made of titiumun I understand compleatly, it's a lot cheaper for the buyer and your not dancing on the base/dome so whatever, that was never an issue for me. but i'm still kinda dissapointed with the brass mix, by making it more durable they sacfriced on grip, which is generally why people buy brass in the first place. they didn't lie about it being brass, but I still feel jaded that's it's not the type of brass the buyer expects from a pro brass pole. that's my two cents, I know some people like the new model, but after useing a "true brass" pole there's really no comparison.
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So….since ALL brass poles are a ratio of copper and zinc….does anyone know what the ratio is in other brand brass poles? How can we be disappointed with the brass mix when we don't have anything to compare it to?
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I'm not buying it. There are a ton of portable brass poles on the market that people love, so their reasoning of it being hard to find a brass alloy that is portable…I don't buy it.
I think they are trying to make poles that are DIFFERENT from the other poles on the market. Their brass and stainess stell poles are different from the other poles on the market, but the problem is, people are hating them.
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Brass is a softer metal…I wouldn't want a pole that comes in pieces to be make from solid brass..I would worry it would bend. Even before I started dancing I knew brass was a soft metal. Dancers have has issues with permanent brass poles bending and warping, so it makes sense that the xpole isn't soild brass.
I don't know why everyone has to be so nasty……. for some reason we tend to hear more from the people who HATE a product then from those who love it…..just the way people are. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_evil.gif
I don't feel xpole ever tried to "trick" anyone into thinking it was a solid brass pole…..
As far as gripping then not….I have had this issue with every pole I have ever had….and I have had a lot of poles! But it always gets better. Its almost like your pole, your body chemistry and what you clean with have to get use to each other… lol. Idk. I would say for ANY pole if its warm and your warm then grip will be at it best. A lot of people will find the class room poles will grip differently than their home poles, even if they are made by the same company. There are other factors that affect grip.
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I think this is more of a finish issue than a copper/zinc issue. I have found only one website that stated that their brass tubing was 66% Copper/34% Zinc and one other that stated that many industrial and bar brasses are what is considered low zinc, which is 80% Cu/20% Zn. What you will notice though is that the brass tubing that you can purchase from any brass shop is HIGH POLISH. This makes HUGE difference in grip. Anyone who has been on a stainless high polish pole vs a brushed stainless will agree with me.
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Chem, that would make sense…I have uses a brass pole that was not shiny and one that was a high polish I would guess, and there was a big difference. They both had grip but the high polish reminded me more of my TG pole where once you grab it your gonna stick! The other pole was easier to slide around on.
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