trickivix
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Hi Ekinkah, I was hoping you were from Australia – chiros have a bad name overseas but I know first hand that chiropractors in Australia are real medical practitioners that do as many years studying as other medical practitioners. I'm on the Goldy and go to a really good chiro in Broadbeach. He has fixed me from many pole ailments.
Does it hurt when you take a deep breath? From what you have described, it sounds like you may have misaligned ribs. Something I got a few times about a year ago from pole. It is when the rib is not sitting properly in the socket within your spine. At first it just feels a bit annoying, but it will keep agitating the back muscles until it becomes inflamed and incredibly painful. When it is adjusted back, it will stay very painful for a couple of days as the inflammation settles and you will need to be careful as the cartilage that normally holds the rib in place will be torn and weaker. You may need to take a couple of weeks off pole.
It is normally caused by incorrect technique or weak muscles. So for inverting, it would mean that you are either not pulling your shoulder blades back and down when doing this move, or you are relying on momentum to get up and putting sudden pressure on your back, or your back muscles are not strong enough (or fatigued) to hold your weight. After getting this, I become very particular about technique and strengthening muscles with weight training because the pain was so intense, I didn't want it to happen again.
Anyway, let me know if you'd like the name of my chiro 🙂
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I agree, just keep at it and the skin will toughen up again 🙂
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Dynamic stretches is a good way to start, but static stretches is fine as as long as you don't hold for long. The reason why they say that static stretches would decrease the amount of power is because static stretches that are held for a long time (say 30 secs) will actually tear muscle fibres. Which is also what happens when you do strength exercises. So you're wearing out your muscles before you even start poling… My preference would be to do an aerobic type warm up combined with dynamic stretches, at the end of the warm up, I do quick static stretches (holding for a few seconds each) to lengthen the muscles a little.
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I too suggest shooting star. I actually learnt it from a side V but I think shooting star would have been easier because the pole is already pretty close to where you want it to be against your inner leg. For either one, it's really about trusting yourself to flip over, push your hips forward and snapping your legs shut (very painful at first).
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I'm guessing S.G is straight edge? There are definitely different body positions. As you mentioned, there is the hollow body with the Ayesha which will pull your butt away from the pole, creating a triangle. The straight edge you are closer to the pole, some people have the pole to their side, others have the pole directly in front of them. You can do any grip with both moves – elbow, split, forearm, twisted, cup… each rely on different muscles to help hold you up.
I started practising my Ayesha pretty much as you described. I started with the elbow grip, got my arms in position and slowly pulled my butt away from the pole while lowering my knees to a tuck until I felt stable enough in my grip to let go of my legs. If you can balance in a tuck, you’ll be fine to straddle the legs.
I found the straight edge was trickier to hold as it doesn't have that offset balance between butt and legs. You're pretty much doing a handstand in the air. I would suggest strengthening your grip (whichever grip you choose) through Ayesha first and learn to go from Ayesha to straight edge, bringing your body in as you move into straight edge… but that's just me. I know people who found it easier learning it the other way around…
Hope that helps https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
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Oh wait, just saw your profile pic, it's a different move… It almost looks like an extended version of this: http://poledancedictionary.com/moves/370/backsplits-variation/
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I think I've seen this in a pole picture book somewhere (might be the same book as yours). From memory, the capezio looks like what most people know as an allegra… Does it look like this: http://poledancedictionary.com/moves/311/allegra/
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I'd say you've hit it on the head Kyrelle – to me it sounds like your hip flexors need more stretching, and your quads and lower abs need strengthening.
I haven't had this problem myself, but I know some people who have similar issues with their hips. Generally a good warm up and stretch helps them avoid injuries/pulling muscles. The leg rotations and lunges that tallicachild mentioned would be good to warm up with.
As for strengthening, I would try leg lifts, lunges and squats…
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I get this problem too… for me there are 4 reasons. 1. the people factor, 2. not warmed up enough/pole is too cold, 3. I feel a little clasutrophobic – although the walls and ceiling are just far enough to not kick (if I'm careful) I'm still paranoid that I will, 4. I have also noticed that a lot of poles need to be worked in a bit too. The studio that I go to have poles that don't get used much and I find them super slippery and almost impossible to do anything on them, even though they are the same type of poles. When I got my pole at home, it was a struggle to even invert as it felt so slippery. Over time, the grip on my home pole became better.
As for your second question, if your pole grippiness is fine, and you're not worried about the walls and ceiling, warming up well would definitely help, and if that's not working, you can always try to bring some friends to watch you while you practise https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
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At a guess, I'd say tight hip flexors. As you swing, you're opening up your hips suddenly which can easily pull something if you are not warmed up enough. I know people who have this issue and they generally do a lot of hip/leg movement exercises before they do any handsprings. Try doing circular leg exercises which covers the range of motion in your leg socket, almost like you are drawing 'O' shapes with your knee on an imaginary wall (clockwise, anti-clockwise and try figure 8 movements too) plus some light stretching beforehand, and make sure you give it a good stretch afterwards too. Hope that helps 🙂 p.s.. congrats on the handspring!
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I used Amy’s tutorial as well. Try googling ‘aerial Amy elbow grip aysha’. Good luck 🙂
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No, not something you will live with forever, it will eventually heal. Tendons don't get much blood flow so it can take up to 3 months to heal properly (for the chronic ones). But that's only really if it's not aggravated. Considering your situation with your new studio, it might take a bit longer until it totally disappears. It's been about 5 months for me and I'm not quite fully healed. It was very close and I could use it with no drama as though I had never had it until I slacked off once and didn't engage my muscles properly and then I instantly felt some pain again (that was about a month ago). Just be careful for awhile even after the pain subsides. No pain doesn't mean it's fully healed. Good luck!
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I had golfer’s elbow where the pain is felt under the edge of the bone as opposed to above the bone which is tennis elbow. I got it from over practising the split grip cartwheel mount and not stopping when it started hurting. For treatment I followed RICE – I stopped split grip cartwheels, any time I used my arm I would ice it straight after, I wore one of those sleeve bandages… Actually I didn’t do the ‘E’ now that I think about it. On top of that I massaged the tendon and the muscles in the arm to help blood circulation and applied heat on my rest days. Tendinitis takes ages to heal, especially if it becomes chronic. Just have to listen to your body and if something is painful, you either have to change your method or build the muscles around it a different way… I now start my cartwheel with both hands on the pole instead of grabbing with the lower one after my leg has already started moving.
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just realised I hadn’t read cinara’s comments properly… For split grip my bottom arm holds most of my weight and I have a bent upper arm that controls how close/far my torso is to the pole. I generally lean away from the pole for an ayesha (which I think is what Amy is referring to when she said pulled out). As for TG, my top arm is straight and I hold a lot more weight in the top compared to the bottom, so it is almost as though I’m hanging off it, but you still need strength in your shoulders to keep you in place…
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Pole fitness has been the only type of exercise that I can't get enough of. I don't like doing repetitive cardio workouts, I've never played in team sports… I like tennis and weight training at the gym, but these things don't give me the same buzz I get when I'm on the pole. I love the challenge of perfecting a move. It gives me a high when I've got it right. And I love that it builds muscles in places I never knew muscles existed.
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@lilblondie – I had a similar issue with the TG when I first tried it, so I tried really strengthening the shoulders at the gym, it helped a lot. Because your top arm is straight, you really have to use your shoulder muscles to keep your body up.
I get into my split grip and twisted grip aysha from a cartwheel, although I wouldn't recommend learning it that way because you can really injure yourself if you're not used to the movement and holding the position. As for my elbow grip, I'm the same as lilblondie – I get into it from a catepillar. Amy has some great tips on getting into the elbow grip aysha, without her blog, I wouldn't have been able to get it so quickly:
http://aerialamy.com/blog/2011/07/12/tuesday-tips-elbow-grip-ayesha/
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Hey Lizzy, I'm in Australia and the studio I go to only have 50mm poles. The reason they chose to have only 50mm poles is because it's the best way to gain wrist strength. Once you build up the strength on a 50mm pole you can use any pole. And also because the thicker poles are better for your legs to grip on, and I guess that's pretty important because you're generally upside down when you are holding on with your legs… So I reckon 50mm should definitely be the standard pole size… for learning anyway…
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My pole is also in a small spare bedroom. The room has a ceiling fan in the middle which is still there (I've kicked it a few times). I think it depends on what you will be doing on the pole. I do mainly tricks so I don't really have an issue (apart from the fan). As for spins, I can also do spins which don't require too much extension away from the pole…
