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I'm so disapointed. I absolutly fell in love with this adorable coset http://badkittyexoticwear.com/shop/pinkblackcorset-p-1254.html but even the small would be too big.
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this looks cool!
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Whether a sport is late or early specialization is largely controlled by the code of points and the sport's origins. Since the optimal window of trainability for strength in females is toward the end of PHV (Peak Height Velocity – the primary growth spurt-in girls between the ages if 14 and 18) As a result my guess is that Olympic level polers would likely be between 17 and 28.
So a fifteen year old would be in the "Training to Compete" (http://www.canadiansportforlife.ca/default.aspx?PageID=1017&LangID=en) stage of Long Term Athlete Development. So you're right Cianara, but she would just be starting to specilize.
I also agree that a lot of the athletes in Pole Sport would be athletes moving on from others at first but at the same time as the sport grew you'd see more exculsive Pole Athletes who started from the beggining heading down that path.
A little off topic but are you a Trampoliner Cianara? if so GIANT props to you! I'm terrified of the trampline at my gym (it bites lol)
I think people should accept the relationship between artistic/cirque Pole Dance and Competitive Pole Sport as what it is and not be so quick to trash the other. I'm an elite level competive Vaulter, does that mean I can't apriciate and learn from the things that that the cirque bareback riders learn to do? no of course not!! in fact one of my idols is a man who spent his youth in the competitive stream and decided to make a career in the performance side of things. We just have to accept that Pole Dance and Pole Sport are sisters and love them for who they are.
These athletes are very artistic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WSBKIUfvtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brJ_fGHH3Ks
And these artists are very athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztXmzMvSXZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mrjd84PzSo
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Amplitude/active flexibility are my current battles. I've gotten advice and exercises from my gymnastics coach and my friends on the RG forum but I want to give it at least a couple of weeks to see how things work out before I pass any advice on.
Basically it's a lot of barre and trampoline work with ankle weights but yea I'll let you guys know how it's going in a couple weeks.
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PS I also want a like button 😀
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Runemist, Facebook's problem isn't their software; it's their developers' philosphy. Which is something along the lines of "if it dosn't break you're not progressing fast enough" IMHO that's not an exceptable philosphy for programmers working in a live system with hundreds of millions of users.
I've built social networking softwhere similar (but better if I do say so myself) to what facebook uses and we don't have the any of those issues.
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exactly 🙂
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nothing particularily special.
Eating a proper diet high in dark vegitables, Stretching after strength training, combinic static passive and dymnanic active stretches and using the technique of contracting and releaseing the oposite muscles while doing static stretches. PNF stretching when I had a partner to help out… The biggest things tho were correct alignment and that sort of thing to prevent getting hurt. Also that the pre-split stretches were far more important than actually stetching the splits. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVq9nL_tLbo (1:14 – 1:35 in this video)
This is the picture from before http://img15.imageshack.us/i/phonepictures080.jpg/
this is monday night http://img443.imageshack.us/i/18094519799695689379710.jpg/
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just be warey of gimick flexibility training programmes that promise unrealisticly fast results. Flex training takes time. Even for someone who is naturally flexibile.
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just be warey of gimick flexibility training programmes that promise unrealisticly fast results. Flex training takes time. Even for someone who is naturally flexibile.
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thats what I was talking about earlier about late vs. early specialzation sports. Say a fifteen year old sees herself as the next Felix – at this point in her life she is not going to train exclusivly in Pole Dance Sport – she will do Pole, Gymnastics, Ballet, Acro, soccer, track and feild. But she won't drop the other sports untill she is in her twenties preparing to go to worlds and the olympics in the next few years.
Artistic sport at the elite level is still artistic. How artistic it is depends entirely on how important artistry is in the scoreing. In artistic gymnastics you aren't really rewared that much for artistry which is why you see such "sterile" routeins. if our rules make those things important than we will see them. 🙂
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I guess it's just a matter of taste. Personally I am only interested in sport. I want to see performance, composition, execution and difficulty, blended together in a flawless, elegant way that makes you forget that what your watching is a competition rather than a natural phonomoneon. There is nothing boring about crisp, flawless elegance.
Thats one thing that Felix Cane(pre zumanity), Megan Benjamin, Evgenia Kanaeva and Nastia Liuken all have in common – an etherial quality that has world-champion writting all over it.
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haha I wouldn't really call it a stretch programme. I've just worked with a lot of very knowlageable people over the years. 🙂
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I hope you didn't think that I was complaining about the sensuallity – what I have a hard time digesting is the sensationalizim – I think compeititon should be about who can do bigger skills and cleaner routeins not about who can take their clothes off the best. My all time favortite routein is Felix's Guns and Roses one from worlds 2009. I just wish it were a little more subtle….more godess less street corner if you catch my drift. But I agree – what rec folks do in their living rooms has nothing to do with what the elite atthletes do at interntional compeitions.
Something like a website that's a one-time thing with a little maintence here and there I can handel. 🙂 'sides it would be fun. But I don't think being involved on a deeper level would be a good idea considering I don't compete nor can I see myself being at that level any time soon….
Aerial – Rhythmic Gymnastics belive it or not came from one woman who danced with scarves to entertain men – now she did it wearing clothes – but the sport has done everything it can to forget that passed. that dosn't mean there aren't still women who dance with scarves out there….they just can't call themselves Rythmic Gymnasts.
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persoanlly I can't see Pole Sport ever becoming an early specialzation sport like women's artistic gymnastics becuse the strength and complexity components. I think it will most likely remain a late development sport like Equestrian Vaulting or Men's gymnastics where the bulk of the elite level competitors are in their 20s. Even in RG those at the olympics are in the 17 – 26 range. I don't really see any reason what younger athletes could not train in it though. And I have felt for a long time the at slutty side of pole dance needs to go. Now that's not to say a routein can't have a certian aspect of sensuality to it. Look at the woman who was silver at Worlds this year. I think there was something really beautiful and sexy about her tango routeine…but it was subtle and that's what made it sexy rather than skanky.
Empyrean. Don't worry about it if I knew who to get in touch with I would volonteer my time but I don't so…yea…(That kind of thing is what I do for a living – I especially like building sites for things I am interested in. I'm actually finishing the last touches on the new look for our vaulting NF's website today.)
I have a question, are the international rules going to be made public like the FEI and FIG have done? becuse I feel that that gives the IF a certian appearance of accountability (that is 100% personal opionion tho)
I really wish I could be more involved. This is such a pivotal and exciting time for our sport but with everything I'm already involved with in the Vaulting world there just isn't any room left on my plate. 🙁
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well at the time I was only doing the warmup/cool down stretches at karate and warmup at vaulting. There was a bit of a trial and error phase sometime after I started competing in vaulting. Trying to follow the latest fads…but that only resulted in getting injured and having to take time off training.
I had a good chat with my personal trainer friend who was the most flexible person on the national team when she was still vaulting competitively at one point and she explained everything. After applying what she taught me I made significant progress seemingly over night ( in reallity it was about three months between fugly jazzsplits and when this picture was taken.) http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3174/phonepictures080.jpg
By sancharavaultrg at 2010-05-08I wish I had stayed consitant with it but 2010 was just generally a really bi-polar year for me. and I made no progress in building strength or flexibility during my battle with Annorexia Athletica 🙁 no matter how many hours or how correctly I trained.
I'm going to bug someone to take new pictures at the end of practice tomorow. 🙂 we'll consider that my starting point for all intents and purposes. ;P
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Other than having a….somewhat….ummm….less than modern looking? website (just my opinion as an industry professional – I really hope they didn't pay for it) I really think that our IF is doing a pretty good job and is really on the right track.
There are a couple cosmetic rule changes I'd like to see so that we are more like other artistic sports. the first one is that I don't think props should be allowed in compeition -now that dosn't mean we can have a gala show at the end of the compeition like Rhythmic Gym does.
like so
Competition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5nRFvuyEl8
Gala: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgQcEQ4Ddrc&feature=related
the other thing is just costumes/presentation. There really should be a limit on how much skin is to allowed to be exposed, and clothing should not be allowed to be removed. and serious dedictions for vulgarity. now thats not to say you can't dance however you like in your gala performance. Just not when you're in front of the judges. 🙂
annother example from RG
Comptition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt4zrF0m2aA
Gala: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBgBaGsHIdg
anyway…that's just my two cents 🙂
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My favorite straddle stretch is the warmup series I learned in karate. It both passive and active flexibility (how much you can get without resistance)
You start standing with feet together lean forward with flat back and touch the floor – hold this untill the muscles give in to the stretch (its a sort of "ahhh thats better" feeling) for most people this takes between 15-30 seconds – if its cold out or you have lactic acid build up in your muscles from yesterday's workout it might take longer so be patient and don't move on untill it does give in. You can help speed this up by contracting the opsite muscle group for a few seconds and then exhale and release.
Then walk your feet to shoulder width – touch your hands to the floor between your feet untill the muscles give in then grab one ankle and pull your chest to your leg. Hold this untill it gives in then do the other side, then do middle again. Next you walk out your feet to about double shoulder width aparat and repeat. Then repeat at almost as far as you can go. Then repeat at as far as you can go. At this point you should still be supporting your weight on your hands with your cute little bum off the floor. with your hands in front of you using the muscles of your legs to support you slowly sit down. This help strengthen the muscles in the stretch position. If you are flat on the floor at the bottom of the straddle you can prop one foot up on a something so you still have space under your bum.
Once you are sitting down reach with both hands to one foot and pull your chest down to your leg – hold it untill it gives in then do the other side. After that reach with the oposite hand over to your foot and pull your shoulder down towards the floor in front of your leg.
In general a thorough warmup and cool down with lots of repititon of stretches. will give you the fastest results. That being said nobody gets their splits or straddle-splits right away.
When you are stretching to improve flexibility do it after your workout when your muscles are tired. and hold everything for like three minuts. However don't hold it if it starts to hurt. But do go farther if you stop feeling a stretch.
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Thank you for the nice picture of a correct split VinterVlild 🙂
It's okay to do Jazzsplits when you are performing becuse you should never max out your range of flexibility in a performance/training. But when you are stretching having one of the hips in front of the other – or even worse allowing one of the knees to turn causes the ligiments to stretch rather than the tendons. Unlike tendons ligaments cannont "unstretch" so your knees become much weaker. and in a sport where the majority of the athlete are wearing six and a half inch heels you want strong, stable knees.
Now I skimmed throught the "splits in six weeks" programme and it seems that most of what she is talking about is correct. However I think her time frame is unrealistic. There is a thread on the Rhythmic Gymnastics forum I'm on about how long it took to get the splits. Most said six months to a year.
It took me a year stretching 3 days a week at age fifteen…. I just don't want anyone to get hurt. (my coaching insticnt kicks in whenever I see people doing something that they might hurt themselves with and I'm all like RAWR!!)
I'm not saying anyone is dumb or even wrong. I just care 🙂
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Gawkpop, bow/teardrop is easy enough to do like in the yoga picture with bent legs and legs appart – but not so easy to do like the picture of Alina I posted. 🙂 I wouldn't know anything about contortion lol…- I was working on the move with one of the coaches at gymnastics when this picture was taken.
Veena, no worries, I'm not begginer at all. I've been competing internationaly in vaulting for over two years and have been doing gymnastics for three months. 😉
I guess I should have said "when you have mastered" rather than "if you can do"
Oh something I accedentally left out of my frst post. Make sure to always stretch your back both ways equally. So if you do a bridge do a plough or something after it.
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would help if I'd included the line *blush*
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I was browsing the yoga site gawkpop posted a link to and I found this: this is the correct way to do the cobra.
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I find that one kind of difficult it's supposed to look like this eventually after years of hard work 😉 <a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/856b5982203210" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbnails16.imagebam.com/8221/856b5982203210.gif" alt="imagebam.com"></a>
Chest stand is one of my favorite back things becuse it is both strengthening and stretching. If you can do everything in my first post I can give some tips on it 🙂
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there are lots of good posts on the toe point thread. 🙂 check there.
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one thing I saw in every single photo was un-square hips. Stretching splits without square hips can be very bad for the knees. You wont be able to go as far with square hips but it will be better in the long run. The way I check to see if I'm square is by resting my hand on the middle of my bottom. If one cheek sticks up higher than the other than I'm not square.
Oh random FYI I was having a very hard time stretching the last couple of weeks becuse the tendons on the outside of my knee would feel like they were slowly pulling/tearing as I stretched long before my hammstrings, hip flexors ect. actually felt the stretch. After working the knots out of the while upper-calf, knee lower quad reigon the strange/painfull sensation went away. So moral of the story is watch out for knots.
I think I'll have someone take pictures of my splits when I go to the gym friday, that way I can participate in this thread too. 🙂
