babb13 started this discussion ·
Hey all. So I've been pole dancing for a few months now and for my first few lessons I could not do literally anything cos my hands were so sweaty I just slid down the pole instead of round it. Anyway just thought I share this with you cos I actually have overactive sweat glands anyway so
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babb13 ·
.... Anyway I use a product called Perspirex under my arms for years. It's an alliminium (if that's how you spell it) anti perspirant that you use at night three times a week and it completely stops you sweating. It's amazing so I started usinging it on a Sunday and Monday night on my hands (my class is on Tuesday) and my hands were bone dry! Never had a problem since and I don't even use it anymore cos my grip strength is better now. There's a few different brands (I'm UK) but just look at for ( an aluminium chloride roll on. And remember you use it at night. Hope this helps!
I wonder where I could find and try this! Was gonna post a question about sweaty thighs- AT the studio, it gets so hot, my thighs get sweaty then I cant do easy moves that require a thigh grip. I want to do a double sea saw in a perfromace coming up- now worried that the amount of people in the room will casue the temp to rise and prohibit me from doing the trick! Ive alreadytried the popular products I use for my hands
RoseMay ·
That sounds interesting. I researched such antitranspirants in some forums and they seem to work for some people. They only have to apply it once a week or so and they don't sweat at all. For someone whose whole body is covered in sweat in summer (like me^^) this might be very helpful. Tite grip works for me on other body parts too but this might become a bit expensive over time. I'm willing to give these kinda products a try. PaulettePoles, I found a list of the different german products on wikipedia. Here's the one from the english wikipedia: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperhidrosis sufferers need a much higher concentration (12% or higher), sold under such brand names as Drysol,sunsola, Maxim, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odaban, CertainDri, B+Drier, Chlorhydrol, Anhydrol Forte and Driclor."
babb13 ·
The stuff is fantastic. It's the same kind of stuff a doctor would prescribe for over active sweat glands. I used to sweat so badly all the time and nothing would keep me dry which was really upsetting growing up but this stuff is a god send so when I started poling I looked in the instructions and it said u can use it hands, feet etc anywhere that you need it. With Perspirex you apply it the first two nights consecutively then twice a week to maintain it. You really.do have to use it at night when the sweat gland aren't as active for it to work and if you use it underarm DON'T shave that day otherwise you'll.be itching like crazy lol But yeah its a brill product especially for beginners while they're building up that grip strength!
Veena ·
Do you have a link to what you use babb13? I know sweaty hands can be one of the hardest grip problems to deal with!
This is what I found: http://www.perspirex.co.uk/faqs/ Not sure if it is available in the US
Looks like it contains 20% Aluminum Chloride (alumimium is how the Brits spell aluminum). I think the max over the counter stuff in the US is 20 aluminum zirconium trichlorhydrex (or tetrachlorhydrex) gly. Basically the tri or tetra means there are 3 or 4 chloride groups in the structure. This chemistry lesson brought to you by Chemgoddess1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_zirconium_tetrachlorohydrex_gly
babb13 ·
Not a link I just get mine when I go food shopping from the supermarket :-D it may not be available in the US but I'm positive they will have the same product at your chemist from a different brand.
babb13 ·
There is a website http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Perspirex_Deodorant.html bit not sure how many people would want to pay for p&p however a bottle does last me a couple of months...of certain dri is available at walgreens. That's an American store?
babb13 ·
Sorry that was supposed to say 'certain dry roll on' 5 dollars on walgreens.com
Veena ·
Great thanks everyone
Piaketz ·
Funny, I've recently had a long discussion about aluminum products and hyperhidrosis with a colleague so I thought I'd share... just please bear with me, it is a bit lenghy. And I'd like to say that in no way am I affiliated with any of these products, nor do I recommend/not recommend them. 🙂 In the US, 20% Aluminum chloride is available under the brands Drysol, Xerac AC and Hypercare. One of the UK brands of it is Perspirex, as Babb13 had so kindly shared her positive experience above. In the US, they're unfortunately all prescription. The good news is that most doctors have no qualms about writing a script for them as they're quite benign. Honestly, I'm not quite sure as to why these even need a prescription... the only reason I can think of is that some people can get a burning sensation/peeling dermatitis, in which case all you have to do is stop using it and put some hydrocortisone cream, then either ease up on your usage or quit altogether. If you don't have insurance, these cost around $15-$25 for around 30+ ml, Hypercare being the cheapest. But if you have insurance, these cost just around $5. Drysol is also available on Amazon.com, usually for a very jacked up price. 😲 The difference of the OTC (over the counter) products is that aside from having a lower concentration of Aluminum, some of them contain moisturizers or emollients to make them less harsh on the skin. As pole dancers, we don't want those extra moisturizers! Drysol, Xerac and Hypercare contain less of those extra ingredients. Some liquid brands that I've seen while shopping around for myself include Dermadoctor Total Nonscents Antiperspirant (Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex Glycine 11.25%) which costs $28 at Sephora, Maxim Prescription Strength Antiperspirant (Al Chloride 15%) which is $15 on Amazon and Certain Dri (Al Chloride 12% and 25%) which is the cheapest at around $6-10 at Walmart. TIte Grip contains Aluminum chloride too, but for the life of me I can't find the concentration online. I think that's because it's part of a "secret formula", though I think Tite Grip is on a league of it's own because it offers some amount of tack too. Maybe one day they'll make a "clinical strength" too... 😀 Now don't be intimidated by all the chemical names in antiperspirants containing Aluminum. There are a ton of them, chemgoddess had graciously named a few and even linked us to their wiki. The different chemical preps are just different ways of manufacturers to help get them into liquid or gel states so that you can get them on your hands or pits or wherever. Some forms are more dessicating (absorbs moisture) which certainly helps some, but it's the aluminum part that's at the meat of all this. We just have to be smart about reading the labels. If you know of other great products, please share! There are probably a ton of other products out there, and it's great that we have forum's like Veena's where we can share info 🙂 Aluminum works by reacting with your own sweat to make a little colloid plug that physically block the sweat ducts. Unlike other antiperspirants that just wash off, you can actually build it up so some people can end up using less over time. Knowing that principle, there are a few added tips I'd like to give all of you to get the best use of this: 1) apply it at night, so that it has time to settle in and you don't go around touching stuff and rubbing it off; 2) make sure your hands are wiped dry before you put it on so you don't dilute it with excess sweat; 3) and most importantly, you should put it on in a patting or dabbing motion rather than just wiping or rolling it on. This really helps it get in there to block the ducts. Also, as pole dancers, it will be helpful to know which other products that have different actions we can layer on top of our aluminum antiperspirants. This is useful to know when we try to make all our little "recipes". Example, Dry Hands' active ingredient is silica, which is a dessicant and draws out moisture. If your aluminum antiperspirant is not enough, these two would go hand in hand. Mighty Grip and iTac are grip aids. They do give you added tack, so this can be used to your advantage over your aluminum, but they won't keep you dry when used alone. Doesn't really make sense to layer 2 aluminum products on each other (ie. Drysol over Perspirex). The only time you could theoretically do this is with Tite Grip as it has other dessicants aside from having aluminum. 😉 If you're wanting to experiment with OTC products yourself, I suggest trying out the lowest concentration first before trying higher doses, as you'd like to avoid any burning/peeling which would put you out of poling for a few days. Once you have an aluminum antiperspirant you lile, try it one night, see how it goes and make sure you don't get red, and if all goes well, use it daily until you're satisfied with how dry your hands are. Once you reach that state, ease up and go every other day, and decrease as much as you can until you're at a good balance of being dry and using as little as you need. Watch out for any signs of peeling or redness and ease up or quit if that happens. Everyone is different so you will most definitely have to play around until you get there. Don't throw in the towel just because it didn't work for the first few weeks. Expect it to be a work in progress. Now, all that being said, a lot of people nowadays like to shy away from certain anti-perspirants due to concerns about Aluminum causing Alzheimer's. If you are one of these people, then these products are not for you, I am not here to argue. But for everyone else who is interested in trying these, just know that the studies linking Alzheimer's with aluminum have so far been only "circumstantial evidence" as like they say on CSI. The Alzheimer's Association takes the stand that antiperspirants are safe for use. This friendly bit of medical advice brought to you by Gummypia, M.D., P.D. (medical doctor, pole dancer, haha!!!)
So basically, we have a question on sweaty hands which was answered with full explanations of the chemical composition of the various components of each product and their action on the body. This, ladies and gents, is why pole dancers are so awesome. Sorry to hijack, carry on! :-D
RoseMay ·
Thank you gummypia for this explanation! :-) You sound knowledgable, so I'm just gonna ask (or maybe someone else knows something): If I wanted to use a aluminium product on other parts of my body (e.g. the stomach or legs) - do I need to pay attention to anything? I read on that perspirex page that you shouldn't use it on more than 10 % of your skin, because the body needs to sweat. And now I'm trying to figure out how much 10 % of my skin would be 😀
Piaketz ·
Lol Rosemay, glad I could be of help. It's a special interest of mine, suffering from it myself. Not sure how much you want to put on your body, but here's a little graph we use to estimate burn surface areas called the "rule of nines". Sorry it's so morbid, but this will at least give you an idea! http://www.emedicinehealth.com/burn_percentage_in_adults_rule_of_nines/article_em.htm
eMedicineHealthBurn Percentage in Adults: Rule of Nines ChartThe rule of nines is used to measure the extent of burn-in adults. Using the rule of nines burn chart helps doctors access the severity of burns on a patient.RoseMay ·
Oh wow, but yes, that definately helps, thanks! :-) I'm gonna try it on the hands only at first anyway, to see how/if it works.
The palm of your hand is roughly 1% of your body surface area
amy ·
Tite grip is working on an "extra strength" version for hyperhydrosis sufferers that is even stronger than the original formula... stay tuned! :)
ugh i just got my titanium gold x pert 45 yesterday. i was at first worried about uppper body strength ect. then i realized i have sweaty palms bad. for example.... basic pole strut, is like wat 4 steps? so i grab pole, and step, 1, 2, by 3 ive noticed the palms sweat, by the count when i got to grp with oher arm, exaple kick spin, i cant even release the leg to spin, becuase my hands wont grip. im detrmined, i spent like $400 on my pole, and now i feel defeated, and wana cry like a baby bcuz i feel like i cant beat this.got my pole yesterday, and already spent twice that long online looking for help. i have titanium gold for the grip....... i tried mighty grip, rubing alcohol, distilled white vinegar on the pole, hand sanitizer todry my hands, i even tried "warming p my pole with a hair drier, nope. its dry, my hands dry. i wipe the pole, start again. 1,2,3, by the count of 3 im slippery again. im in appartmet, got windw cracked so dont sweat. i dont tink im even sweating tht much on hands, its jus a super thin layer of moisture. i dont now what to do, i feel defeated. i cant complete any moves at all.
Saphyre ·
Ink, new XPoles have a film on them for shipping purposes. You want to get this off first. Watch Veena's tutorial on steaming the pole. Also, new ones have to be broken in. Don't worry! It just needs a little patience at first!! In the meantime, you can try taking some dry hands, put a small puddle in your hands, and then rub it on the pole. It might be a little messy at first, but it might help. Do not give up!!!! I plan on buying a TG at the end of March!!
ink- if u have sweaty hands, invest in tite grip, dry hands, itac, tite grip gloves, and mighty grip gloves. i have the most disgusting sweaty hands and i require all these products for practice.
Just as an FYI - in Canada, Drysol is available OTC. However, it is kept behind the pharmacy counter so you have to ask for it. But you do not need a prescription.
Sounds like you need this... www.dirtygirlpoletice.com
I use dirtygirlpoletice first and then use some some liquid chalk and then I'm good to go no more sweaty palms or pole. Maybe that'll help someone. :) Happy poling
What brand of liquid chalk do you get??
