jleigh started this discussion ·
Any suggestions on how to do the shouldermount flip so you end up sitting on the pole. Wasn't sure if there is a prefered grip to start off in doing the mount so you can continue to have a good grip once your flipped in order to get yourself onto the pole for a sit.
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Veena ·
I use the Veena grip...I think Jenyne called it the flip grip when she saw me do it. Lower arm holds the pole as you would for a basic SM grip, the top arm is in front of the pole not behind. I do this hold often in my vids and teach it in the lessons. 🌸
I've been wanting to try this too, but I'm also concerned with the grip after the flip cuz I use the princess grip and have no idea how that will work out LOL.
I use the traditional cupped hold grip for my shoulder mounts - though I can do it with any of the grips this is the one I'm most comfortable with. So this is what I use for my shoulder mount flip. However, I find most people are more comfortable flipping on the opposite shoulder than they usually shoulder mount on. Most often, peole who are right handed will SM on the left shoulder, however, they most will be more often successful learning the flip on their R shoulder as the R hand is the one that takes most of your weight and support as you regrip with your L hand during the flip. Also many people do not realize at first that whatever shoulder you mount on, is the direction you should turn backwards. In other words, if you are flipping on the R shoulder your legs should go over the pole to the right side behind you as you need to keep your shoulder in contact with the pole as you make the flip. If you tried to flip your legs to the L side behind you, your shoulder has to leave the pole early in the turn. Here is a good example of the direction you turn your body: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAwA6GeD7wM
Veena ·
ohh that reminds me...Here an old vid of my practicing the SM Flip......I'm using the basic/cup Grip....there is slow motion for ya too. If your trying it for the first time start way lower on the pole...I was aiming for height in this video. 🥂 wheeeee. http://ver3.studioveena.com/lessons/view/215
jleigh ·
I can do the flip no problem but I can't split right now so I wanted to try landing on the pole itself in a sit for example but not sure the best way to approach that.
Jeng the vid I posted above shows her going into a sit on the pole...maybe that will help you?
Veena ·
I don't change my approach at all to sit on the pole......To sit on the pole instead of land beside you really need control over the descend then you can slow it down enough to do a pole sit. 👍 I would use the Veena grip to avoid getting your arms all twisted.
LittleC ·
I just started working on just the basic SM flip to standing - and I have a silly question. How do you know where the ground is to land? Because of where my head is, I can't really spot it and I just end up flopping my feet to the ground blindly. I sound like a herd of buffalo and it doesn't look too good, either. 😂
oluha ·
Another question: how do you know if you're ready for the flip? Cuz I would like to try it, but not sure I'm ready... 🌸
Veena ·
As far as spotting goes, I really haven't thought about it. 🤔 Its very important that you have a great amount of control when you SM then you can work on the flip SLOWLY. My first SMF I was squatting and working on it from way down low. Stay tucked in a ball when you start. Also, I didn't began working on the Shoulder flip until I had become very comfortable with all of my Shoulder moves, I have I few variations I teach in the lessons. I think the super invert is the most important to be comfortable with. This is when you SM and hold the position like so This is the grip I use for the Shoulder Flip 🌸 It gives you a lot of control at the top of the move.
oluha ·
Thanks a lot Veena! I will wait cuz my Super invert is not great :S But one day I will have it 😉 !!!
LittleC ·
Thanks, Veena - I am going to work on this one some more and try your grip. My SMs are pretty controlled and I can superinvert - I think I just need to stay slow the whole time while I learn it. I think I am controlled until I get through the flippiest part, and then just let it go all to hell. 😂
RoxyPink ·
Little C...It helps to look back when doing the flip...lead with your eyes! You should be able to spot the floor then!! 😀
Bex ·
I use the Veena grip...I think Jenyne called it the flip grip when she saw me do it. Lower arm holds the pole as you would for a basic SM grip, the top arm is in front of the pole not behind. I do this hold often in my vids and teach it in the lessons. 🌸 This is how Jenyne taught it at the USPDF workshop. Also, if I recall, start down a little lower than you would normally SM to give more arch in your back. Starting lower helps with controlling getting feet on the floor without flopping like a buffalo.
As far as spotting goes, I really haven't thought about it. 🤔 Its very important that you have a great amount of control when you SM then you can work on the flip SLOWLY. My first SMF I was squatting and working on it from way down low. Stay tucked in a ball when you start. Also, I didn't began working on the Shoulder flip until I had become very comfortable with all of my Shoulder moves, I have I few variations I teach in the lessons. I think the super invert is the most important to be comfortable with. This is when you SM and hold the position like so This is the grip I use for the Shoulder Flip 🌸 It gives you a lot of control at the top of the move. I'm gonna have to try the Veena grip. I'm scared to death of snapping my arm off when I flip in a princess grip lol. Especially since apparently my bones are pretty brittle. 😂 😂
k2weller ·
I've got a SM flip question... (btw, sorry if this has already been addressed before. I couldn't find it on the site!) I have been working the flip this evening and was able to (finally) land on the pole. Yay! 🥂 I'm wondering though, if the crazy pole burn/friction on the top of my forearm is normal. My usual shouldermount is on the right shoulder with my right hand on the bottom. I flip this way too, off to the right. From my elbow to halfway down my forearm on the top of my right arm is all red and sore. I'm wondering if this happens to other people on that bottom arm, or if maybe I'm just holding on too long and I got smashed up against the pole just before landing?? 😳 Thanks for any insight! - Kristina
amy ·
what grip are you using? i use double cupped and ahve no problems whatsoever with friction burns!
Question for Veena and Amy in particular...have you ever done it with the double forward cup? I can sm with double forward really easily and I just can't work out in my head whether your hands would get twisted up doing a flip with it. I think it would work but i'm not sure if you'd lose all stability once you got over.
Veena ·
No I haven't PDR....I would worry about losing contact with my shoulder on the pole at the top of the movement. My fave for the SMF is the Veena grip.
I think I need to stretch out my shoulders a lot before I try it then. My shoulders are so tight, I worry about pulling in the top bracket. But my shoulders are really, really tight. I can overstretch them just working on reverse grabs.
k2weller ·
what grip are you using? i use double cupped and ahve no problems whatsoever with friction burns! I use the double cupped grip too... both hands facing the same way, back of the hands towards the back of me... I'm gonna keep trying this evening and see if I can work around this one!
I can do the flip no problem, but I'm trying to land in a pole sit and I just cant do it! I tried using both different grips too, but I still can't land in the pole sit! *sigh* maybe I should slow it down???
amy ·
I can do the flip no problem, but I'm trying to land in a pole sit and I just cant do it! I tried using both different grips too, but I still can't land in the pole sit! *sigh* maybe I should slow it down??? yep! 😀 do it super, super slow. and once you get used to sighting behind you, and seeing your landing pad on the pole, then speed it up.
I knew there was something else SM I was supposed to be working on! Thanks for the reminder, ladies 🙂 Currently working on that SM flag type thing, what is the name for that? Can get the position and hold my body in it by lowering it slowly, but I keep 'wilting' instead of holding it out flat when I get there...lol. That's a good one to work on to help with SM strength and control 🙂 Flip onto pole might actually be easier.
YAY I DID IT WOO HOO!!!!! haha thanks for the tips, just gotta keep at it i guess then one day it clicks!
