Purposely tried to tip my Star Stand Alone!

LizzyLiz810 started this discussion · 11/11/2011

Ok so ive read a lot of posts on this forum about the platinum stages star stand alone not being stable, and tipping over. It is normal for the stage to tip a lil bit, and for the pole to have some play. However, there is no chance in hell that the whole thing is just going to fall over and collapse. I have the newest model of the SSA, and its the EZ Connect version. Please watch my video, and you will see that even if you are super aggressive, it wont just fall completely over. It weighs like 120lbs. I hope this video helps those that are thinking about getting one. I would never put an unsafe pole in my studio. Im kinda glad that i tried to make it fall....now i know 10000% it wont. http://youtu.be/QWpZqTJr0HM ;

15 replies

LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
copy and paste the link if it doesnt work, or watch on my profile.
Dancing Paws · 11/11/2011
OMG Lizzy that vido is so funny to watch!
LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
HAHAHA i know! I was actually burnt out afterwards. Took alot of energy. The SSA weighs like 120lbs.
Dancing Paws · 11/11/2011
It looks like it!
Webmaster · 11/11/2011
This is a leverage and center of gravity question. Its a physics question. Assuming you weigh 120 lbs and your hand never gripped higher than 5 ft and the stage's radius is 3 ft you never exerted more than 240 lbs of force within the physical system and generally less since your more violent attacks were below the three foot mark which essentially nullifies the potential mechanical advantage provided by the leverage of the pole. And since the angle of the force you create stays well within the circumference of the base you were never in any danger of tipping the pole. Assuming Timber Brown weighs about 150 lbs and he was at the top of a 9 foot pole he was exerting a minimum of 900 lbs of force which is a significant difference, and then take into account the fact that the direction of the force he creates travels well outside the circumference of the stage and I think you can see that the comparison is not quite adequate. While we appreciate your attempt to demonstrate the safety of a specific pole it is important to note that any stage pole can tip or rock. Each pole has physical use tolerances that can be figured out mathematically. Know your equipment and what it is capable of and you will enjoy your pole dance experience more.
LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
Yes they all tip, the SSA and XSL. That was the point i was trying to make with the Timber video. With alot of force, the stages will tip.
chemgoddess1 · 11/11/2011
Veena... I just fell in love with webby! I have not seen the SSA "tip" as much as I have seen it lift off the ground by a few inches. Mattcrobat did it when he was executing a chinese climb (don't know what to call it...basically no leg climb while they are spread and you are spinning that a lot of the guys do). The higher he got the higher the the stage lifted off the ground. He "walked" the stage about 3 feet across the room. I have "walked" a SSA only a few inches on a reverse grab. I am 5'8 and 155. I have never "walked" the X although I did have a girl who was over 6' and probably in the 200 lb range have the stage lift up when she did a fireman. When she was in class I extended the legs and never had another issue. For those of us who are taller and weigh more I will still stand by my original statement that I do not feel this is an option for a stage pole. It may be fine for those that are smaller and weigh less than 120 lbs.
LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
Im 5'4 , 133lbs I dont really think stage poles are meant to be used for super aggressive moves, and we shouldnt expect any brand of stage pole to cater to that. There is no ceiling attached to the pole, so of course its going to move, and shift, etc etc. Pole dancing is about control, and learning how to use your body weight. Unless there is a stage that weighs a gazillion pounds, you probably shouldnt do the craziest of moves. Thats what permanent poles are for. Stage poles arent intended for that.
Webmaster · 11/11/2011
@Lizzy - I understand but your direct comparison between your performance and Timber Brown's was misleading and should anyone take it to heart could endanger someone who wanted to try and do moves like Timber on an SSA. Physically there is no way that the SSA could stand up to Timber's performance, its mathematically impossible and I don't believe a 9 foot option is even offered for the SSA. That is of course not to say that the X-Stage is any better than the SSA any more than one could say a Chevy Suburban is a better vehicle than Chevy Volt. They are two different products with different purposes or potential values. It is a fact that the X-Stage in both light and standard models will withstand a more aggressive, heavier and dynamic dancer than the SSA will. This has VERY little to do with the overall weight of the pole and much more to do with the how it handles leverage. The weight of modern stage poles is largely a function of the mechanical infrastructure required to offset the forces created by the dancer. Once again, does this mean X-Stage is better than SSA? The answer is not so simple, it all depends on who you are and what your purpose and preferences are. The Chevy Suburban will pull a tree out of the ground but the Chevy Volt will get you back and forth to work far less expensively and will guarantee you a parking spot, which is better? The answer: It depends.
LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
I knew of Timbers performance because i was there and saw what happened with the stage, so thats why i chose that video. I dont think anyone here will be trying out his moves. He is pretty much the only person that does them, and u could see during the performance, he puts on his own special grip aid to help. I think he is crazy for doing those moves on a stage. I wouldnt try them, and im sure 99% of the women on here wouldnt either. Stages werent designed for that. I dont think most people would run at the stage like i did either. Like i mentioned b4, pole dancing is supposed to be about control and knowing how to use your own body weight.... i was purposely trying to be forceful and aggressive. That is not the goal of most women. So, i guess if you are a very aggressive dancer, maybe choose permanent poles. You wont have to worry about anything then.
Dancing Paws · 11/11/2011
I am glad Lizzy made the video. The word "tip" has been used so frequently on this forum with regards to stages, and that put an image in my head of stages actually tipping over and falling. I could care less whether the stage moves a few inches or lifts a little in a spin. I'd expect that to happen. The word "tip" just had me totally freaked out, though. It was soooo misleading!
LizzyLiz810 · 11/11/2011
It freaked me out too. I used to be sooo scared to go on stage poles, especially the SSA after reading so many posts. I really thought the thing was just gonna fall completely over. As of right now, i havent seen any videos on youtube or heard of anyone completely taking down a stage pole, so in my opinion, they are good. I really like my SSA, and so do my students that have tried it out. I love the EZ connect too. I dont think there is any other portable pole that connects better than this. There is literally no way it can come apart. My studio is in Pomona, CA if anyone ever wants to come try it out. I saw that Platinum Stages has one set up at their warehouse as well if people want to try it. They are in newport beach.
Platinum Stages · 11/11/2011
I agree about the term "tip" being misleading. Any pole that is not attached to a ceiling or that is not extremely heavy or weighted down, is going to move or shift slightly. But they are extremely safe and sturdy. I encourage anyone that is in the Southern California area to come to our warehouse and try out the Star Stand Alone. I have one set up in my office and anyone is welcome to come by and try it out. On a side note, having the pink star stand alone in my office tempts me all day long! ;-) Makes me want to get on it! ha ha! Have a great day everyone. Thanks, Erica Verner [email protected] (949) 574-7133 Phone (949) 973-0355 Cell (866) 85-POLES Toll Free www.PlatinumStages.com 1582 Monrovia Ave Newport Beach, CA 92663
Platinum Stages · 11/11/2011
I agree about the term "tip" being misleading. Any pole that is not attached to a ceiling or that is not extremely heavy or weighted down, is going to move or shift slightly. But they are extremely safe and sturdy. I encourage anyone that is in the Southern California area to come to our warehouse and try out the Star Stand Alone. I have one set up in my office and anyone is welcome to come by and try it out. On a side note, having the pink star stand alone in my office tempts me all day long! ;-) Makes me want to get on it! ha ha! Have a great day everyone. Thanks, Erica Verner [email protected] (949) 574-7133 Phone (949) 973-0355 Cell (866) 85-POLES Toll Free www.PlatinumStages.com 1582 Monrovia Ave Newport Beach, CA 92663
BACE16 · 11/11/2011
The manufacturers have to run some numbers before ever putting a model into production. I'm no physics major, but with the right formulas I wouldn't expect it to be too hard to make a "Will it walk/tip/whatever?" calculator for stage poles.