Veena started this discussion ·
This mornings scope on the hashtag #notastripper. https://www.periscope.tv/w/aV6tYTFQWEtkb1lEQlpRZXZ8MXlOR2F6dnZ5WHFKaqnY0Rwj7fHy7Zm5Z3xTQPYkVSlI38LD0tcB8fwpVOZS How do you feel about this tag?
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Sayra ·
Thanks for leaving this one as viewable on Periscope. I tried to tune it, but my cell signal isn't good enough at work (although it let me leave random hearts). Looking forward to watching tonight.
Ultema ·
lordy lord the discussion on there, you have the patience of a saint. XD Buuuut I feel exactly the way you do on the topic. I am actually unnerved by people who feel the need to constantly downplay or discourage the idea of women doing anything sensual or exploring their sensuality. I have a lot of feelings and thoughts on this whole subject, really.
I watched it after and have to say you are a trooper Veena. Some of the comments streaming...I wished I could have sent you tons of Studio Veena hearts.
Veena ·
I've been working online for 7 yrs now and learning to tune out creeps and haters has become easier over time. 😊 You can give my hearts in the replay!!! 💜💜💜💜
Sayra ·
Yeah...I think I would have used the block button with a few of them. Way to deal~
Veena ·
I think some people are trying to be obnoxious and want to be blocked so I find that ignoring them is irritating to them 😜
when will people learn that you can build yourself up without tearing others down? Deriding others does not increase your legitimacy it just makes you look uncertain of your status and defensive.
I feel it's unnecessary and can unintentionally be rude towards strippers. Also, some maybe using it to intentionally be rude. its silly and unnecessary. it only makes people wonder why youre defensive about it. I allow people to look into pole dancing on their own and discover what is or isnt stripping. Im pretty open about what i do and people can look at my videos and pics and decide what they want about me. I just dont care. #dontgiveashit :) #whatyouthinkaboutmeaintmybusiness hehe
First of all: people on the internet are weird. xD As for the hashtag - I'm with you. While I don't know any strippers personally (never been to a strip club... yet.), I follow a few of them on instagram and mostly love their pics and videos. And I just read a book ( http://www.jacqthestripper.com/the-beaver-show/ ) by one of them and loved it. Maybe it's because I'm so much in my "pole bubble", but I just don't see anything negative with strippers, quite the opposite, I'm thankful that they made pole what it is today. And I absolutely love the sexy side of pole and my heels and glittery costumes... #wishIwasastripper ;)
If it wasn't for a stripper I bumped into at a wedding I would have never known pole to be used for anything other than entertaining in a strip club. Once I found the athletic/gymnastic side of pole I was hooked and wanted to get strong so I could have fun doing those moves. I only tried hoochie coochie around the pole a few times and just can't do it with a straight face LOL. So for me a hashtag might be #definitelynotastripper! But if the sensual or sexy/artistic side of pole is your thing then go for it. Life is too short not to be enjoyed:)
Men strip, yet they seem to not be labeled in any derogatory terms. Good old doubled standard here
To me, this whole stripper-hating is another variety of slut shaming. A way of saying that woman should feel embarrassed and crude if they feel, act or behave in a sexual/sensual way. And the women who support the pole dancer/stripper feud are colluding in their own oppression. Some people strip for a living. Some people do other kinds of dance for a living.
I really want to see this one, but when I click the Periscope link I get a "broadcast has expired" page. I guess I'll hold some of my comments until I see the video, but I learned about #notastripper and #yesastripper from an article that catmoves had shared and I love the knowledge drop! It sucks that #notastripper is a thing, but I started searching #yesastripper on Instagram to find new polers to follow and diversify my visual pole diet.* (*not to hijack the thread, but "visual diet" comes from a TED Talk I saw a while ago about body image and diversifying representations of beauty in the media. Actually, if I'm not mixing up my TED talks, this one was by a plus size burlesque dancer and y'all will probably love her!)
pr1nc3ss ·
I understand both sides because if you teach new girls they always ask. So I am always up front about it. What I normally say is I have never been an exotic dancer no shade. I think a lot of people are closed minded and think to love pole dancing you need to be a stripper well anyone can love pole. I know when I first started to learn I had a new respect for strippers and realized how hard their job really was and how much thought and skill it took.
Veena ·
It's uploading to SV right now! The broadcast only stays up for 24 hrs 😊
My story is the same as viscious's. i'm just glad I found poling again and now it's a sport too. I feel good about being at the studio with women 20 years younger and keeping up, love my body, my strength and don't give a flying #*^} what anyone thinks. The haters are just cowards and secretly jealous imho. #peopleneedtogetoverthemselves.
At the end of the day, pole should bring us together not pull us apart. I completely agree with the person who said pole is for whomever wants to do it. And at the end of the day were all connected by it. And that's what we should focus on
kaygee10 ·
Just to throw some more perspective into this big stew of stripper vs. Good& Evil. I like strip clubs, tried stripping for a little bit, didn't like it, end of story.I started poling as a hobby for a few years before I decided to give the club industry a try. Prior to being there, I used to feel the need to defend who I was as a "baby" poler by creating a separation between me and strippers. I used to feel it was necessary to make the distinction and would talk about strippers like they were a separate species. I regret ever thinking separation was the best way to "uplift" the pole community image. Years past and I realized the Diversity in this community, and the beautiful and variable of people that tried dancing as a career, and that my efforts can be counted as hypocritical because I was not doing any uplifting at all, but shaming members that essentially MADE this community. That's what community is supposed to do, COME UNITE! The comments I have read below seemingly are disappointed in this #hastag Periscope #wtfsocialmedia, so therefore I will not try to find it. I'm over the divide the comments, the shame, been there, heard it already, sorry I'm not going to entertain it. I choose to direct my gaze somewhere positive... and I love the term Visual Diet and will be using it for now on when referring to media influences. Unfortunately Still till this day, I will admit I am selective about my usage of the word stripper. sometimes I cringe when I hear strangers use it. I feel that I have to be selective with using the word stripper in my language because for some people the idea that the word stripper, is a title and is not limited to a stereotype but a label that includes a spectrum of people, lifestyle, and culture could possibly be far to complex for some people to accept. I hope any bothered by #wtfwasitcalledagain will remember to surround themselves with something that makes them feel good and pay the haters #nofucksgiven :-)
I haven't been on here for a very long time, but felt the need to share my own opinion, which is just merely that. I personally love pole and consider it a extremely beautiful form of exercise for me personally. I have absolutely nothing against exotic dancers. If anything I would have to say I'm probably a little envious of how confident these women are. I personally myself don't have the guts to do what they do. Yet I'm not so sure the whole #notastripper was meant as a slam either. Perhaps some people who love pole just wanted to differentiate themselves and nothing more. Separating yourself doesn't necessarily mean you think ill of someone, it just means you are trying to explain your form of pole dance. I'm very sure there are also some folks who are indeed turning their nose up to someone who is an exotic dancer, that is also their choice. At the end of the day it is just one more prejudice that plagues this country. Pole is becoming more mainstream than ever before and it's not just limited to the gentleman's club. People love pole and want totalk about it with out everyone assuming they are exotic dancers. I don't think there is anything wrong with that as well as nothing wrong with being a "stripper ". it's a choice we make and hash tagging your preferences is equivalent to hash tagging your sexual preference, it's your choice and last I knew none of us are God to be passing judgement on someone else's choice. It's evolving and changing we just all need to support each other. That is the one thing that I love so much about pole, is because it's probably the most supportive community I have ever seen. It's sad to see what's going on right now.
Taking the "stripper" out of pole-ing, is like taking it's little sexy heart out. I tried stripping, but wasn't very good at making money as I am shy at talking to people. I loved performing though, and it introduced me to the love of pole and exotic dancing.
Gena ·
I would very much like to weigh in on this topic, but this is only MY opinion. First of all, what the heck is wrong with being a stripper or being thought of as one? Don't all of us WANT to be seen as desirable to our significant other? Don't all of us WANT to FEEL sexy and sensual? Really all strippers are are women that are making money by embracing their sensual side. They also get to play on the pole!! BONUS!! Most of them are awesome salesmen and all of them are giving someone a fantasy to take home. Some of them do bad things, but then so do some of all people. What I don't get is why these people who tag #notastripper would not want to be considered a stripper at least a little. LOL, just kidding. But really, strippers are either thought of as sluts or goddesses. So, I guess maybe they should just tag #notaslut. That should cover it. Actually what I am really saying is that I think the tag is just another way for some women to feel better about themselves by putting other women down. I mean, how many of the women that use that tag actually even know a stripper personally. I think labeling of any kind is wrong and hurtful. Who cares how society perceives you. I mean, isn't that partially what this is about? These women don't want others to think that they are a stripper. So What!! All that really matters is what YOU and your significant other think about you. So all in all I think the tag #notastripper is a waste. It is sad that someone felt the need to even create this tag. Be who you are people. Because in the end that is all you really can be.
to me, notastripper is like saying notgay. the need to differentiate is because one thinks they are above the group they are differentiating themselves from. it puts down a whole group of people.
I wouldn't want my kids or grandkids to think I had ever been a stripper and I wouldn't want them to grow up to be one. This isn't a moral or religious issue for me but one of respect for our own bodies and selves. Is dancing around naked in front of single guys, other people's boyfriends or husbands something we want to promote as positive and healing for our daughters to do? I don't understand why a pole necessarily has to have anything to do with sensuality or sex and see it as just a gymnastic apparatus much like parallel or horizontal bars in gymnastics. Perhaps my attitude has something to do with my husband's. When he was in the Army he went to one strip club one time and that was enough for him. No way was he going to spend his hard earned money that way. I like nudity, sensuality,and sex in the bedroom! But I do respect the folks here who are strippers and enjoy it to have made their own decisions for whatever reasons, the world is big enough for all of us to be part of.
Hear hear Phoenix! I completely agree. Haven't we learn from history, plessy vs ferguson, for example that when we separate, we do it, because we don't believe it to be equal? And the fact that someone feels the need to preemptively declare that they not a stripper before someone even asks shows a strong (and mostly defensive) desire to herald that they are most certainly not associated with that. Not good. Also there is more than one way to respect your body, and just because some people take off their clothes or do things that you wouldn't doesn't mean that they don't have respect for themselves. I know plenty of strippers who have a lot of self-respect and to say that if you strip, you don't respect yourself is not a fair assessment. It is an assessment based on your own experience, which can't reliably be applied to everyone. Some people find stripping cathartic, freeing, and a way to express their body love. This does not mean they don't have self respect. That's the thing about self respect. You your "self" define it for you.
I'm a pastry chef. I could just say I'm a chef, but that's what I specialize in. Do I think that makes me better or less of a chef, absolutely not. It just speaks more of what I do. I guess that's the best analogy I can give. We all can read into anything to be offended if we choose, it's all in the actual intentions of the person, which you can't tell by a simple sentence. #notastripper #yesastripper doesn't mean anything unless you want it to or is followed by an actual remark.
