If you don't use twisted grip...

Meme29 started this discussion · 12/24/2014

I'm guessing the Phoenix is out of the question? I don't use twisted grip. I never have and never will. It seems awkward to me and I learned my handspring using split grip. There are a few moves I want to do, but I don't think they are possible without twisted grip. The handstand with one hand on the pole? Twisted grip. Phoenix? Twisted grip. Most Iron X's I've seen are twisted too. I have been working on mine, but unable to hold it. Is this because I'm in standard grip and my upper arm is slightly bent due to that? Any suggestions? Thanks!

7 replies

Cherished · 12/24/2014
I've seen Nadia Sharif do some phoenix-like spins with a cup grip and Iron X's can be done with a split grip and I think cup grip also. It probably takes more practise to master with the alternate grips but where there's a will there's a way!
dustbunny · 12/24/2014
I'm pretty sure that most moves, if not all, done with twisted can be done with other grips. I believe cup grip is your most likely option. I think it is harder but it can be done!
PolarGirl · 12/24/2014
Great question! How would you do a Phoenix without twisted grip since the movement is initiated with a reverse grab spin that puts your upper arm in twisted grip..? I'd love to find a video of Nadia doing a cup grip variation of this; I can't wrap my mind around that! And wouldn't your top hand still be in a "twisted" cup grip!?
jsheridan · 12/24/2014
Both split grip phoenix and cup grip phoenix are possible, but are different and do not come from a reverse grab. Cup grip travels forward from what I call an "extended double cup grip spin" and then drop your bottom hand and lift. the lift is actually easier than a TG pheonix because of the direction of travel but the hand change is difficult. Split grip is from a carousel and is significantly harder. Iron X's are possible in all grips, including elbow. Here is your cup grip phoenix http://youtu.be/jkAaVyanTVY?list=UUFNT3ixMCQSAqTW3hUo8LPg I dont split grip because my top wrist always hurts so I only twisted/cup grip. The handstand with one arm on the pole is a little different than regular TG handsprings because with your back to the pole, your arm is actually neutral. Its not until you rotate your chest to the pole that your arm twists. I dont know of a single move that is not possible in other grips, but there are a lot of transitions that are only possible in one grip.
Meme29 · 12/24/2014
Thank you so much ladies! Very good info! Looks like I have work to do!
PolarGirl · 12/24/2014
jsheridan! Thanks for that cup grip Phoenix video - that's awesome! I see you replace the top hand, totally makes sense :)
jbrint9658 · 12/25/2014
Is there a video for the split grip phoenix? I can't do twisted grip either. :-)