pink33 started this discussion ·
Just started working on Veenas CAR lesson. She has us starting with our backs from the floor, getting legs in position on pole and rising torso up to grab the pole. Seriously??? Please tell me this IS possible and I will get it.
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Veena ·
Pink, You have to make sure your coming up high enough on the shoulders in the start position. I believe I cover that in the lesson. 😉 You can't expect to get every move instantly, most moves can take weeks of trying.
pink33 ·
Veena, You're lessons are fantastic, they really are. Yes, you totally cover that, but like you said I CAN'T get every move instantaneously... I'll make sure I'm high enough on the shoulders...and I'll be patient...
Pretty much every move I've gotten so far has seemed TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE at first attempt... I've learnt quite a few moves too :) CAR was a definite impossible for me... until last week! I can do it, but I still don't find it comfortable or safe, so I won't do it often. Let's just say you suddenly find what muscles you need in your legs to grip the pole and it will just 'work'. I focused on turning my knees INWARDS and at the same time focused on tightening my butt... this worked for me
Jenn ·
I feel like the CAR is underestimated a lot. That is a very difficult move to get, and for me took a couple weeks before I felt comfortable in it. Not to mention it is highly dangerous to fall out of as you're basically falling head first facing away from the pole. Trust me, I know.... it happened to me and my arm got caught underneath me and I injured that and my neck. Kept me off the pole for a couple months and i now have recurring issues in those areas. I haven't seen Veena's lesson but it sounds like she is having you work as safe as possible to the floor. Take your time with it, let the muscles build up in your thighs so that you will have mighty grippage there. And don't worry, you will get it! Just keep practicing!
Hum....It's not just a muscles problem; some girl have a little curve in her legs bones, femur (like me) and it's more difficult to do the car for this reason. I can do it, but i felt inconfortable and unsure. I learn this with Amber Richard and It's make a lot of sense for me and my students.
Veena ·
Yes 409 is right....I should have mentioned that. For some of those with a leg shape like this ( ) in other words, being bow legged, turning the knees in will be difficult and will make this move feel very unsecured! Also I prefer the CKR for the most part anyway.
I hurt my neck doing the CAR the other day, so being careful is very important!! I'm glad I "got" it but I will be sticking with the CKR for now, it's foolproof and MUCH safer for me
pink33 ·
Ladies, I follow Veenas lessons by the book, I have the CKR and love it, can I proceed past the CAR onto the next lesson or do I need the CAR for future stuff?
LOADS of people find this one tricky! I have been poling over a year and a half and have only recently figured this one out. Actually, yesterday was the first time it was even somewhat easy. It's still not that stable (I have to go into it from an advanced plank, can't do it from a pole sit. lol) but I can walk myself down using my hands, and pull myself back up. I'm so happy to finally be able to complete the move.
I would say your just as good without it for a while at least. I think some more advanced moves like the bow and arrow or archer come from the CAR position, but I know of people who do those from the CKR as well.
Veena ·
No I teach the Bow and Arrow and Pencil from a CKR not CAR...your only missing out of things like Bridges by not doing CAR.
amy ·
i think of the bow and arrow and archer as coming from a slightly different layout, that i call the "hooked foot" layout. i actually learned it at sfactor, where it's the first one that they teach, but since then i've only seen studios teach it as a transition. i only mention this because while it's a more painful position at first, it usually feels much more stable for people than the CAR but it requires more body awareness than the CKR.... to do it: start in a sit. lower your hands to about a foot above your crotch as you lean back with your legs lightly crossed. as your upper body gets horizontal, take your right leg out to the side, with the knee bent and rotate the knee away from you. hook the top of your right foot against the pole, with the knee still slightly bent, and hook the left foot behind the right. to stabilize, straighten your legs as you rotate the knees together and slide your hands out to go into the layout. it looks like this: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v188/26/62/538138302/n538138302_405591_2834.jpg (hope the pic works) this layout is also the transition into a dangerous brian (http://www.triagedesign.co.uk/wikipole/images/e/e0/Dangerousbrian.jpg) and is quite stable with just the one hooked foot on the pole (it's sort of like a one-legged stand on the pole, or thigh hold/tammy, except in front of the pole instead of behind it). i'll echo the sentiments of the ladies who've posted here and reiterate that the CAR is NOT a beginner move. you have to keep your muscles completely engaged the whole time that you're in it in order to be safe. i'm slightly bowlegged and i find that while i can maintain the position, it does NOT feel secure to me and i eventually slide out of it no matter what.
Veena ·
Thats how I teach it amy...CKR to Reverse inverted Thigh hold....which uses the hooked foot position your talking about...your also your using the inside of your thighs at all times while you move into position. 🌸
amy ·
veena, you call that move a reverse inverted thigh hold? whether both feet are behind or one is dangling? the name makes sense to me when i think through the words 😉 but i do think that the move that we're talking about (which i call the hooked foot layout) is the easiest transition out of the head/handstand also. it's a good one to know!
Veena ·
We use the hooked food trasition all the time in the lessons, yes.
