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miss pole champ
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I appreciate all the information that is brought to this forum, as an individual with a "mind" of my own and the ability to make "my" own informed choices, I appreciate all the different types of pole and polers. I respect peoples choices and opinions whether or not I may agree with them, that is their right as I to have that same right and appreciate having mine respected as well. It is not necessary I believe to try to convience everyone that I am right (in my mind and thought process). Veena has given us a "SAFE" place to share and be who we are, PLEASE lets all remember and RESPECT that. I do not appreciate anyone "attacking" anyone due to their own belief process…this is AMERICA (at least where I live). Thank you ErinMarieOMG for the information you've shared, your opinion is noted…it's time to let it go. Peace
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@KelliBecks – The discussion should be over as the situation is largely based on hearsay and it was stated in distinct anger.
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I thought this thread was closed by the time that I read it, but it seems as thought it is not. Give me the opportunity to respond to all of you, and thank you for giving me this opportunity!
:"Miss Pole Champ USA is a SCAM. The girls who work at the clubs perform nude and win regardless of talent. It is a STRIPPING contest NOT pole dancing"
It really sucks that Erin Hogan had such a horrible experience that she has to react this way. She was so upset after the winners were announced that she said many things to the other competitors, the venue management, and myself that I hopes she regrets. I have worked on the details of these events for a long time and put a lot of hard work into them so for someone to have that reaction is so deflating, I am so sad for her.
:"The girl who won deserved a prize, but her win was cheap because of the rauchy, disgusting display of this so called "competition."
I honestly believe the right person won. I don't know how her performance was raunchy or cheap? I do also believe that Erin should have placed, but it wasn't her night.
:"The judges with pole experience magically couldn't come, so they were replaced by 4 guys who run a party bus company. None of the judges knew anything about pole dancing and even commented to customers that they had no idea what they were supposed to be judging."
I hate to throw a sponsor under the bus… but the owner and instructors (4 were scheduled) at icandysonoma.com were supposed to judge along with some gentlemen that the club selected. That afternoon iCandy informed me that they were unable to make it. The venue stepped in to replace them with business owners that were not customers of the club. They did not know the men (yes they were guys) that judged. They were friends of business owners who did not frequent the club. All judges were walked through the process and given guidelines. Although the men did not have dance backgrounds, they did an acceptable job in selecting the correct winner. Erin is mispeaking when she says that there were only 4 and they were all party bus owners. There were 6 judges and 2 of them were affiliated with a party bus company, 1 owned a contstruction company, 1 was the orchestra coordinator at theater, and other random professionals. Although these gentlemen weren't ideal in Erin's mind (or mine), the bottom line is that they know what they want to see. Since this competition is about finding someone who can do a national tour in strip clubs, I need to find someone that will wow a strip club crowd. I invited pole fitness competitors because I sincerely hoped that if I can find a pole dancer to knock the socks of a strip club crowd without even taking her clothes off… then she definitely deserves to be there!
: "Then she had the audasity to tell me I looked nearvous and my moves were poorly executed. At least I HAD moves. But this isn't about me, its about the five LEGIT pole dancers who didn't even place. I was also informed I probably didn't place because I "didn't climb to the top of the pole." A pole 16" tall"
I did tell you that, because that would be the only reason that you didnt place. The top 3 girls had major confidence and looked like pros. I watched Erin do some fabulous stuff, but she didn't look comfortable. That affects overall performance scores. Erin, you are misspeaking again: when I mentioned that the top 3 girls climbed all the way up the pole, I said that in response to you telling me that "they didn't even touch the pole", it was merely proof that they touched the pole without naming the tricks they performed. The pole was 16', not 16".
"By the way, the owner of the club gave the judges "gifts" at the competition. We were also not allowed by the venue to see or walk on the stage beforehand, but clearly the girls who worked there would already know the stage."
Yes, it is customary to provide gifts to those that help you out. I have judged many competitions where the host venue provides gifts. I have recieved crystal, monogramed bath robes, gift certifcates etc. I have given gifts to every pole fitness person that has judged my competitions. I had prepared gift bags for the judges who were supposed to come from iCandy Dance Studio, but these gift bags were full of pole related items that were of no interest to these gentlemen so the club offered their T-Shirts, mugs & such.
Also, the contestants not getting time on stage beforehand was a mistake that I wasn't informed of until the competition was over. The general manager of the club announced that you would get to check out the stage. I left him up to that since I had my hands full with other duties (like making sure the judges knew what they were supposed to do) and the many other duties I need to handle. I assumed it was taken care of and NOBODY said anything to me until AFTER the competition was over! I didn't know BUT, I should have made sure that it happened and I didn't so I will take responsibility for my shortcoming there.
: "IF YOU HAVE REAL POLE TRICKS AND ANY ONCE OF DIGNITY AND SELF RESPECT, DO NOT ENTER THIS. YOU WILL ONLY LOSE TO GIRLS WHO GO NAKED AND RUB THEIR VAGINAS IN THE JUDGES FACES, YET ONLY KNOW ONE POLE TRICK."
This is outright slander. No one rubbed any vaginas in anyone's faces. The 2nd & 3rd place winners didn't even take their bottoms off and the girl who one 1st took her panties off while upside down on the pole at the very end of her show, with her legs crossed. Be careful, as another poster stated… liable.
– "Aside from this, I am absolutely disgusted that a so called "pole champ" wouls want to portray pole dancing this way, and basically confirm to all our critics that we are all strippers with no artistic or athletic ability."
Erin I earned all of my pole dancing titles on the strip club stage from 1994-2008. With the exception of NBC's 'America's Got Talent', I never entered a mainstream pole competition. I would NEVER confirm that a stripper or non-stripper pole dancers have no artistic or athletic ability. I have spent 16 years pole dancing to know better!
– "Veena this is called MISS POLE DANCE not Miss Hottie stripper. This would imply POLE DANCING is required."
No, it is called 'Miss Pole Champ USA'. Yes, pole dancing is required. The name was selected from my biz name. My biz name was selected from the nickname I received from years and years of winning competitions. Within the feature arena ( in short; feature dancing is like being a burlesque headliner in a strip club), there are not many pole dancers and I definitely made it my niche so I got the nickname and it stuck. I chose it as my biz name when I began teaching because it fit. I chose it as the competition name because I wanted the connection to my company and I already had TM rights.
– "Yeah, fuck you people. You're all talentless and borderline retarded apperantly."
This is the Erin that was shown to me, the other competitors, and the club staff after the awards ceremony. I hope you can all recognize this type of behavoir? It seems to me that you do, so I will only say that the Erin that showed up for the competition was a completely different person! I was very proud to see a well prepared, professional, well spoken and beautiful competitor enter the competition. It was such a shock to have this monster appear lashing out at everyone afterward. I was so sad for her and sad that an event that I coordinated would bring that out in someone..:-(
Don't get me wrong, I have felt that way many times after competing! I have entered over 35 different types of competitions and I only hold 24 titles. There have been many times I have placed blame on others but I never did it in the fashion that she did.
: "While I can appreciate that the roots of pole dancing come from stripping, the two things are not mutually inclusive. As the technical skill level of pole dancing has increased and many pioneers have taken it to a new level of art that requires an amazing amount of strength, flexibility and coordination, pole dancing has evolved into an art form that parallels many other extreme acrobatic sports.
As many have tried to legitimize pole dancing as a sport, the need has arisen to at least moderately distance it from stripping. I have absolutely nothing against stripping, but there's a huge difference between "pole dancing competition" and "amateur night at the strip club".
With all due respect, why would you think that exotic dancers couldn't have "strength, flexiblity and coordination"? I am deeply offended that you have never attended one of my competitions and you compared them to "amateur night at the strip club"!
1. House girls should not be competing in an event like this. Most legitimate competitions exclude house girls from competing because they are given an unfair advantage. I think this is a pretty standard rule that most competitions that are held at clubs seem to follow.
The venue has to pay for the event and send the winner to the national competition. There is no way I wouldn't give one of their own the chance to represent the club! Consequently; the NE regional an outsider won, E regional all 3 top places went to outsiders, N regional 2nd place went to an outsider, SW regional 3rd place went to an outsider.
2. Any competition that claims to judge based on several criteria that require a deep knowledge of the proficiency required to execute complicated pole maneuvers should be judged by knowledgeable and experienced dancers who know what to look for. The fact that the judges were laymen with little understanding of what makes a move challenging significantly cheapens the quality of the competition. The fact that they were also friends of the club owner is even shadier.
I was disappointed that my pole pros canceled. I am proud that the venue stepped up in such a diplomatic way and no they were not friends of the owner… as stated above.
To summarize, regardless of how many of you know "Nic" on a personal level or have worked with her, or know her history, this competition really should not be called "Miss Pole Champ USA", because it doesn't seem to draw on the actually skill of the pole dancer as anything more than a minor category in the overall performance of an exotic dancer.
It is really sad that you let one person's experience sway you. As far as I know (sorry if I am forgetting anyone), I have never met anyone on this board. They may know my background and have heard of me because it is all over my websites, myspace, twitter etc… but that is because they did research and I have widely promoted who I am.
P.S. Miss Pole Champ USA is here to stay!
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I'm trying to be polite, can we please terminate discussion on this thread. I will lock it if necessary.
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