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Seeking nutrition advice–anyone tried Poletein?
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Here is my two-cents on nutrition.
#1. one size does not fit all. We each have our own unique genetic make-up.
#2. When it comes to food…Momma Nature has got it made in the shade. She knows all sorts of things we do not know. There so many undiscovered things about real food and what it is made up of….so eat "real food" not something from a bottle or bag or wrapper. (when you can, I know it's a little more effort to do that)
#3. Rest and hydration are beauty treatments. When you sleep you generally release growth hormone…..(if you havent jacked yourself up with the wrong food or alcohol before nighty-nite time) This is very important to aging and everthing that goes along with that.
#4. it's phyiscally impossible to "lose body fat" and "gain muscle" at the same time. They are two different hormones that rule this type of process in the body. (I pretty sure someone else already addressed this issue too)
#5. THE NUTRITION INDUSTRY IS NOT REGULATED. They are allowed a 25% le-way on the error margin of figuring out the nutritional content of a product. Also, as long as the mouse turds and dead bugs are down to a dull roar in your food they dont have to tell you that either.
For example….the new trend..no trans fat in a lot of packaged food. I cry "bull?!#$." As long as the amount is under a certain amount per serving they can say that. Have you noticed a trend in these mini servings?
SO MORE PROTEIN… eat one egg…the whole darn thing. There are some amazing nutrients in the yolk. Greek yogurt is great for protein too.
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Thanks for bringing that up Pegasus. Its definitely important to remember that the nutrition industry is NOT regulated the way the medical industry is. And long term effects can sometimes take decades to show up.
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I know this is an old post…but I really like sun warrior protein powder. Its the best I have found…and plant protein is best. I drink vitamineral green powder in purified water daily. It contains spirulina which is super healthy and nutritious for you:) also… if you like beans such as lentils…. you can find a lot of protein with not a lot of calories there. Plus they digest easier than animal protein from meat… helps you get some “good carbs” too to regulate blood sugar! Good luck 🙂
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What happened to poletein? I can't find it on their website.
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I am studying plant based nutrition and will recieve my certificate in august. According to studies by Dr Colin T Campbell from Cornell University and numerous outher studies, too much protein consumption aids in cancer development, heart disease, and numerous other "diseases of affluence". I realize that this is a touchy topic because so much confilicting data from clinical studies are swirling around the media, but much of the misinformation surrounding us is due to monetary gain. It is more profitable to treat symptoms than to prevent disease. If protein is such an important element to an American's diet, why is it that America is suffering from so much heart disease and cancer? and obesity…
In all sincerity, i post this because I am genuinely concerned with the health of all of you. If you are interested in becoming certified yourself, check out eCornell univerisy's website. Also, The China Study is a shocking testimony to the detriment too much protein can do to a person's body.
On a lighter note, I have some pretty decent looking biceps and I eat a whole foods, high carb / low protein diet. I also weigh the same as i did 20 years ago when i was in high school.
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so i guess my advice is: if you choose to take any protein supplement, realize that you can certainly get the same amount by eating whole foods instead, kinda what organic angel said.
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I will just state that not all protein sources are the same and not all protein sources have this effect on cancer. Campbell researched protein's effect on turning and off cancer promotion and it was specific to casein. However generalizations have been made that ALL protein sources act as casein does, which has never been proven. It does not aid in cancer development, it affects development after you already have cancer. Those are two very distinctly different things.
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@Chemgoddess: To clarify, the casein studies that you are referring to were his earlier works on rats. The China studies analyzed the diets of humans, with data in many different food classes- 2 examples being plant based proteins and animal based proteins (not just casein, but all animal based protein)
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Just a note on the creatine/protein affecting your liver…too much protein in general can be tough on the liver just because it has to convert all the nitrogen into urea. That is why I do not advocate high protein low carb diets. Everything in moderation.
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to pegasus- how is it impossible to lose body fat and build muscle at the same time?
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Two different hormones which do not happen at the same time. Insulin helps you build up muscle. Glucagon helps you release energy from the cells. This is (simply put) why body builders have to fatten up a little to build of the muscle tissue. And also why when they lean out they are so concerned with muscle loss. Havent you ever heard of the concept of when you loose weight too fast alot of it might be muscle. It doesnt mean that these too events cannot happen in the same day it just doesn't happen at the same time. This is why it is important to have a good meal after workout.. spike your insulin to incourage the glucose back into the muscles and help stimulate repair of the muscles that have been broken down.. And also why they say do your cardio in the morning right after you wake up with no food to help release more fat stores from the body because you are coming off a fasting state and your levels up glucagon are high and insulin levels are low.
It is MUCH more complex than that. That is the science of it.
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Thank you pegasus for your explanation – I was wondering the same thing.
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It is a pretty simple one. There is SO much more going on and can quite a project to try to manage it all. I say to lean out "wait till the tank is a quarter full then fill to 50%"
Back onto the protein subject…I've always found that nutrition bars and protein supplements reck my stomach..
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I mean simple explaination.. There's tons of information on it.
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As a cancer biologist and pharmacologist, I am going to throw in a few cents without trying to get too involved… https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif
Everything causes cancer (haha). Everything is a therapeutic, everything is a poison– it's all about context and dose/how much you're taking in!
Keep in mind that protein is, at its simplest, a source of amino acids. You need amino acids to keep your cells replicating, making proteins and cell signals of their own, etc… of course supplying a source of amino acids will help cancer grow! They'll help just about any cell type grow. Now, if you're talking about increased incidence of cancer in a clearing organ like the kidney or liver… that's a bit of a different issue.
And my last two cents– just because a study is from 2008 doesn't mean it's invalidated. If studies aren't recanted but other authors refute a certain claim, studies will show rebuttals/revisions (which is pretty rare) or pubmed will happily link you to relevant recent articles as well. All that you find in the literture is scientific observation– many times you'll find opposing opinions on a given topic, but that doesn't mean one or the other is "wrong" or "outdated."
That's all. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_rambo.gif
Oh, and I personally love eggs or shredded crock pot chicken (wrapped in a little spinach, kind of a mini-wrap?) after a workout! The chicken is great because you can make a ton of it and just eat it cold over time!
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@pegasus regarding #3 in your last post… what kinds of foods would be bad to eat before nighty night that would interupt your growth hormone release???
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the goal is to keep insulin levels from rising too much. Try not to eat a couple of hours before bed. This would be the key point.
So In the evening you wouldnt want to eat things that turn into sugar quickly. Rice, pasta, (alcohol interfers with you getting into all your sleep cycles, but I cant remember if it has an effect of GH release..It is a different type of carb)
.. one school of thought is too make sure you have some good quality protein to carry you through the night.
My personal opinion…I'm sure a lot of ladies will disagree…Is women dont eat enough good quality fat. I think eating a little bit of fat in the evening can help dieting. A little piece of cheese with olive oil or beaf…60-100 calories worth. Insulin does not spike when fat is eaten….BUT BE AWARE that it is not a licence to eat what ever you want.
PS…if you wanted to get "kooky" about it. You would want to sleep twice and have two trainings in a day. Those events coupled with the right food would help you release the most growth hormone. But who in the heck has time for that!
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@pegasus-I think that information is very helpful. My challenges are I'm just finishing school, Ive been a full time student for a year and I;m trying to get back into a routine. Also ,I get shaky when I dont eat so I'll have something before I work out. The protein bars work but yesterday I tried a boiled egg instead and it worked.I know I cant do it overnight but I'm trying to get close to where I was a year ago. My issue isnt weight its getting back into healthy eating habits and building muscle again.I do have the belly fat issue. It seems all my stress and everything is stored there. I appreciate your insight because I dabble in nutrition and I tend to accept the advice of people especially women who have used the advice because I feel alot of the studies are geared toward the way mens bodies workor are simply not nutritionally sound for our bodies
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I like Amazing Meal Protein Shakes. They are raw, gluten free, Vegan, dairy free and no sugar added. 10 Grams of full spectrum plant protien. Probiotics, Fiber, Antioxidants and so on.
I get mine at Whole Foods in the US. The company website is Amazinggrass.com.
This shake is pricey but I like it. I am not Vegan but I love the ingredients and feel great when I drink it on a regular basis. Hope this helps someone. Ozarksiren
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I LOVE amazing grass! I like their Raw Reserve powders… for extra protein I use Jay Robb's whey protein – casien free, comes from grass fed cows, no growth hormone, no ariticial sugars and retains the healthy immunoglobins. A low cal way to meet the daily protein intake on those needed days:)
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