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  • Kicking into an Invert Stance

    Posted by MommaBear on May 1, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    It seems like this is greatly debated so I wasn’t sure which is the way to go.

    From viewing youtube clips, some tell you to use the momentum from kicking to get into the invert stance, yet others seem to say that you shouldn’t be kicking at all? I can’t imagine I would ever be able to get up there without kicking, so which is the way to go?

    aWiiPeanut replied 14 years ago 17 Members · 26 Replies
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  • glitterhips

    Member
    May 1, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    No kicking allowed…the ones that tell you to kick are doing it incorrectly. You should never kick into an invert because it’s a bad habit and also if you can’t lift yourself into an invert you probably aren’t ready to do one so if you kick you could get injured. You can do it without kicking, just give yourself time to build the strength first, it took me 3 months to invert and much longer to do it effortlessly. I have this pole DVD and when the instructor taught an invert I remember her saying "don’t kick into it, it seems easier now but will affect your form negatively in the long run" and I found that to be true, lifting yourself into an invert is a good gateway move for other inverted poses/building arm strength for more advanced moves. good luck!

  • Veena

    Administrator
    May 1, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    NO KICKING……I teach you to LEAD with one leg but…..you don’t swing the leg and use momentum. Kicking is a good way to injure yourself. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_evil.gif

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 2:12 am

    NO KICKING!!!! Unfortunately too many pole schools teach girls to do this.

    You will have the strength. It took me what seemed like forever to have the strength to curl up into a shoulder mount but that times FLIES.

    I will also attest to injuries. One of the first pulled muscles I got was from doing a reverse invert. I had the strength to get up there but did not have the strength to control myself on the way back down. Work those CONTROLLED knee ups!

  • PoleDanceABCs

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 6:47 am

    No kicking and like many people say in other posts… if you just started or are still new to pole you shouldn’t be inverting anyways! Kicking does make it easier but it doesn’t do anything for building up your strength which you will need later down the road.

  • Solya

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 10:28 am

    Definitely no kicking!! When I learned to invert I kicked into it and no one corrected me, result = 2 cracked ribs. Be patient and use those abs https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_smile.gif

  • MommaBear

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Okay, that is unanimous – NO KICKING!!

    I guess I will have to wait till I get some good muscles going and allow my body to do the work. Besides, I kinda like my ribs the way they are – in whole pieces (ouch Solya!)

    Waiting on abs is going to take quite some time – I’ve never had or used them unless those are the muscles that deliver contractions during childbirth https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_lol.gif

    Chem – what do you mean by knee-ups?

  • Charley

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    There are a ton of exercises you can do to get ready to invert.

    One of them is actually sitting on the floor and working on lifting up into an invert. You should also practice the leg grip from the floor too so that it becomes ingrained where each leg goes. I have lots of students who I have to tell to slow down because once they get up there their legs are in the wrong place…they never graduate beyond inverting from a squated position on the floor until the get the legs right,

    You can also do things like fan kicks/ windwills that require you to engage your arms and your lower abs to complete the trick. As you get stronger your legs will be able to lift higher.

    You can stand at your pole and lift your knees up to your chest too.

    I am probably the odd girl out, but I teach basic laybacks before inverts and once you are strong enough to do a basic cross knee release, you are going to start seeing a big improvement in ab strength – so I tell my students to perfect their x knee up to pole sit, by the time they get it perfected, most are ready to begin inverted prep training. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_pirat.gif

  • Solya

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I am probably the odd girl out, but I teach basic laybacks before inverts and once you are strong enough to do a basic cross knee release, you are going to start seeing a big improvement in ab strength – so I tell my students to perfect their x knee up to pole sit, by the time they get it perfected, most are ready to begin inverted prep training. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_pirat.gif

    We teach sitting and CKR way before inverting too! If you can’t sit up from a CKR there is no way you can invert without kicking.
    MommaBear you could maybe speed up the process by doing crunches, leg raises and plank holds daily. We always push those in beginner classes and it gets people inverting really quickly!

  • Ginger Kitty

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    I teach basic laybacks before inverts

    Is the basic layback the same as the plank?

    Also someone said something about a CKR. What is that?

    I am new and working on ab strength as well. I ordered a mat and it won’t even be here until the end of May or later. Not even going to try and invert with out my mat!

  • Charley

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    I teach basic laybacks before inverts

    Is the basic layback the same as the plank?

    Also someone said something about a CKR. What is that?

    I am new and working on ab strength as well. I ordered a mat and it won’t even be here until the end of May or later. Not even going to try and invert with out my mat!

    Yes, I consider the plank the beginning of a layback…I have two versions of planks…1) one leg straight and the other bent over top as you would in a cross knee release (CKR) and 2) both legs straight and crossed at the calves/ankles. Students start with 2 hands on the pole, graduate to 1 hand and then with spotting they will graduate to the cross knee release (CKR)

    I teach the cross knee release from the floor first. So we learn leg position, how to grip the pole and do a sit up, up to the pole. So basically students learn how to come up before they learn to go down.
    I am probably the odd girl out, but I teach basic laybacks before inverts and once you are strong enough to do a basic cross knee release, you are going to start seeing a big improvement in ab strength – so I tell my students to perfect their x knee up to pole sit, by the time they get it perfected, most are ready to begin inverted prep training. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_pirat.gif

    We teach sitting and CKR way before inverting too! If you can’t sit up from a CKR there is no way you can invert without kicking.
    MommaBear you could maybe speed up the process by doing crunches, leg raises and plank holds daily. We always push those in beginner classes and it gets people inverting really quickly!

    YAY! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif Students succeed so much more when the moves they learn are thought out. I totally agree if you can’t come up out of a CKR you aren’t ready to invert.

  • Veena

    Administrator
    May 2, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    I also teach the Planks first…..there are so many moves that can be done without needing to invert! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif

  • chemgoddess1

    Member
    May 2, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    Momma….knee ups are actually a 2 part strength builder. The first part is being able to hold your body weight with just your arms. Imagine doing pull ups but using your pole. Knee ups are holding the pole in baseball grip and raising your knees to your belly and then letting them back down.

    https://www.studioveena.comhttp&#58://www.mensfitness.com/2008/images/ripped/0808-ripped-hanging-knee-raise-1.jpg

    But using the pole.

  • tiffthebest

    Member
    May 3, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    woah woah woah wait a minute…no kicking…into anything?! I have never gone to a school I have only learned off youtube so thats probably why I have not ever heard this. I understand how this could lead to people doing moves they arent ready for so it seems like a good idea. Can someone watch my videos and tell me if I do this? This makes me feel like I will never get my SM https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cry.gif which doesnt even seem to use muscles but for some reason I cant get it.

  • verucablue

    Member
    May 4, 2010 at 12:01 am

    The shoulder mount uses a a lot of muscles…abs and biceps being the bulk but not all https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

  • tiffthebest

    Member
    May 4, 2010 at 1:17 am

    The shoulder mount uses a a lot of muscles…abs and biceps being the bulk but not all https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

    that may be the case but no matter how many times I practice it I am never sore (except for the excruciating pain of the pole stabbing my shoulder) so I cant figure out if I am even using my muscles =[

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