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I want a flat stomach!
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1) PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE eat at least 1200 calories per day. Eating as little as you are is not good and verging on an eating disorder.
2) We are female. We are MEANT to have the baby making pooge. It's in our DNA. The pooge is sexy!
3) Rather than focusing on your pooge, I think you need to work more on accepting yourself as you are and rocking it! Confidence in ones self is everything. Tell yourself that you are beautiful the way you are. Feed your body like you love it. Exercise for your body's well being. You are a healthy weight, so it is just about treating your body with respect and gaining confidence.
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Koi…I have a poochy belly and my husband thinks it is sexy as hell! I am one who holds weight on her belly…the rest of me is pretty low BF but unless I eat a STRICT diet there is no getting away from the pooch.
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Ha Chem – mine too! In fact when I stopped to think on it, ALL of my partners preferred me to have a belly of some sort. One used to cuddle up and squoosh his face into it and almost purr… I have a little belly now, and my husband thinks it is the best thing ever. We need to learn to listen to our men… 🙂 🙂
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Ok, this may be long so I apologize in advance. But…
Unless you are 4ft tall and 60 pounds, your maintenance is NOT 1200, likely its more around 1800 – 2000 cals a day. Most calorie calculations do take into account for height, weight, age, However, those start at figuring your BMR first then multiplying by an activity factor.
There is no such thing as "starvation mode" as in which people think, If there were, then anorexics would all be super fat… What does happen in the face of too low calories and especially too low protein, is that the body breaks down muscle in order to feed itself, therefore saving the fat until all the muscle tissue is gone. The fat will only go when the body has broken down all the muscle tissue it can. So eating under 1200 cals a day and not having enough protein in the diet, you are not going to lose fat at this time.
If you want a specific physique or look you have to actively work for it. Sometimes its not about losing fat, sometimes it is about building up certain parts to make others better. If you are undermuscled, it will take years of work to get to a decent base of muscles. A woman at best can only put on about 1/2 a pound of muscle on a month, so you are not going to add a ton of muscle. On top of that muscle requires 3 things to build: a progressive solid resistance program, sufficent calories and protein, and most importantly TIME! without those three things, you will not build muscle. Poling is great for the upper body but because it isnt progressive (resistance wise) you will only be able to take the muscle building so far.
Not only that, but muscle is metabolically active,meaning that muscle burn more cals when at rest than fat. So the more muscles you have the faster you actually will burn fat. Those of us who pole would do well to add in some cross training with weights/resistance.
Now, when we ask women to up their calories, they see an initial weight gain and freak out. This may be why you think your maintenence is so low. The weight gain is not fat and it does not mean you are gaining fat. It is glycogen and water and typically the water flushes out in the next week when the body adapts to the higher cals. This is why we say slowly up the cals so you can give your body time to adjust.
Now, in this case we are looking at 3 possibilities
either you are under muscled and do not have enough muscle to carry the look you want
You have a posture issue that is causing the belly to pooch,
or there is nothing wrong with your body and you are being way to harsh on yourself.
If you are undermuscled (which is likely given the low cals) then you need to work on building muscles all over your body so that you can correct the stomach pooch.
If the problem is postural, then you need to work on posture correcting exercises and bring weak muscles up to par
and if the problem is that you are seeing fat where there is none, then you need to talk to a counselor and learn to love and accept yourself.
Either way i would suggest adding cals to the diet, working on getting more protein (because you are going to need about twice as much as you eat now), you need healthy fats in your diet as well. Get on a solid resistance program, and take an honest look at your mental and emotional state and seek counseling.
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abcollins, you explained the 'starvation mode' better than I, it equates to a similar thing, but thank you, the process is indeed slightly different to how I believed it happened 🙂
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"Starvation mode" really doesnt exist, i gave a very simplified explanation of it for brevity. Any time you lower cals under your maintenance, your body automatically down regulates metabolic activity. It automatically shuts down extracurricular activities (muscle building for one) because it does not have the energy to keep it going. The body is really all about maintaining and doesnt like to lose anything. So it starts cutting into the tissue that takes the most calories to maintain, muscle mass. If you are not strength training with enough cals and proteins in your diet, you will lose more muscle than fat due to the body process. This is why we stress both resistance training and adequate protein to preserve muscle mass and allow the body to let go of the fat. Its not "starvation mode" its what the body was designed to do and it takes manipulation of diet and exercise to overcome the body's natural tendencies.
Now the leaner you are body fat wise, the harder it will be to lose fat, the lower in weight you are the harder it will be to lose fat and the lower in lean body mass you are, the harder it will be to lose fat. So there are a lot of factors that come into play when looking at how to structure your diet and training.
The more you weigh, the more body fat you have and the more muscle mass you have, the easier it is to lose fat up to a point.
I dont think a flat stomach is out of the question for most women, it usually does take specific training and dieting to get there and most people are unwilling to spend years working on their physique to such a point, only for the sake of a flat tummy. It also takes a specific understanding of the body, and not many people are willing to go that far into it or learn it to get what they want.
There are also a ton of myths out there like "doing a ton of situps gives you abs" and while many people will say "abs are made in the kitchen" and "you cant spot reduce" they have no real understanding behind WHY or HOW to get there. Many women dont want to add muscle, but that is usually the answer in many cases.
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For a more indepth look (and prob a better exlanation) google starve mode from leigh peele.
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You are simply not consuming enough calories. You should be eating at least 1800 calories or more, especially if you are doing strength exercises. You are STARVING yourself and your body’s reaction is to hold onto fat because it know you are not going to feed it. If you want a flat stomach, you must amp up your metabolism which means you must EAT, at least 5 – 6 meals a day, each containing lean protein, a source of healthy fat and carbs. And stop counting calories because calories from different foods will affect you differently. If you ate 1200 calories in gummy bears you would have a very different body than if you ate 2400 calories in lean protein, green vegetables, grains and fats. I highly recommend you check out the Eat Clean Diet series by Tosca Reno. They’re very straight forward and easy to follow.
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You are simply not consuming enough calories. You should be eating at least 1800 calories or more, especially if you are doing strength exercises. You are STARVING yourself and your body’s reaction is to hold onto fat because it know you are not going to feed it. If you want a flat stomach, you must amp up your metabolism which means you must EAT, at least 5 – 6 meals a day, each containing lean protein, a source of healthy fat and carbs. And stop counting calories because calories from different foods will affect you differently. If you ate 1200 calories in gummy bears you would have a very different body than if you ate 2400 calories in lean protein, green vegetables, grains and fats. I highly recommend you check out the Eat Clean Diet series by Tosca Reno. They’re very straight forward and easy to follow.
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You are simply not consuming enough calories. You should be eating at least 1800 calories or more, especially if you are doing strength exercises. You are STARVING yourself and your body’s reaction is to hold onto fat because it know you are not going to feed it. If you want a flat stomach, you must amp up your metabolism which means you must EAT, at least 5 – 6 meals a day, each containing lean protein, a source of healthy fat and carbs. And stop counting calories because calories from different foods will affect you differently. If you ate 1200 calories in gummy bears you would have a very different body than if you ate 2400 calories in lean protein, green vegetables, grains and fats. I highly recommend you check out the Eat Clean Diet series by Tosca Reno. They’re very straight forward and easy to follow.
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Im just curious if you read what she wrote?? She is not eating "bad" or unclean foods, telling her to "eat clean" is not helpful since al the foods she eats IS clean. There just isnt enough of it and there are missing nutrients. She doesnt need to eat 5 -6 meals. The amount of meals during the day is not relevent. Some people do better on 3 meals and some people need more. But the 5 – 6 meals a day is a myth that has been proven by studies. And I HATE when people use the extreme "1200 cals of gummy bears" No one is ever going to live straight off of gummy bears so please stop using that as a scare tactic for people to follow Tosca Reno's cult.
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It was an example of extremes and was not meant to simplify the equation. Of course she is not eating 1200 calories of junk, however, many people have a hard time telling the difference between healthy food and ‘health food’. The food that was listed is all very healthy but, in my opinion, is not enough to achieve the results that she is looking for, which is fat loss (notice I did not say weight loss).
Fine, don’t read Tosca Reno, for whatever personal reasons you are opposed to her methods. They have worked for me, they have worked for people who I care about.
The simple truth is that 1200 calories is simply not enough and there were very few carbs listed on that list. Can a person survive on this. Yes they can. Can a person burn fat like this. No. You may get skinny from malnutrition, but you best believe your body will fight to hold on to every once if fat that it can.
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I have read Tosca, and while i like many of her recipes, much of what she touts as "the way" has been proven by many studies to be incorrect. We have enough myths and deceptions in the fitness industry without people perpetuating them.
And you dont have to eat :clean" to lose fat. Its up to the macros and how the diet is structured. Last time i did a cut, i ate chocolate every day and lost fat just fine. My cals were much higher than 1200 a day. Again, this is why Tosca is a cult. Food is not "good" or "bad" its not "clean" or "dirty" this kind of thinking leads to disorders and bad relationships with food. Instead, we need to shift focus on health and nutrients. While so called "clean: foods have more nutrients, other foods are just fine to eat and can be easily worked into an overall diet.
the difference is that I read more than Tosca, i read people who actually use science to back up their methods, and i read studies and research the mess out of nutrition, sorta have to, its my job.
And we have all ready discussed "the body holding on to fat", and thats not the way it works. See the above posts and the link i referenced. Perhaps Leigh Peele can debunk some of the myths you are posting.
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As someone who has been hospitalized for a restrictive eating disorder in the past, I feel the need to chime in here.
I am first going to echo everyone else here: 1200 calories is not enough for ANY grown adult. A few quick number into a BMR calculator showed that even if you were a 25 year old 5' 5" woman who weighed 110 pounds, you'd STILL need 1,165 calories a day for your body to perform your most basic functions. Since I'm sure you walk around during the day, and do daily tasks (clean, shower, stoop, chores), that'll require much more calories. But you aren't doing just that. You're doing pole – and pole exerts a LOT of energy, which requires a LOT of calories.
And aside from just consuming X amount a day, you need to be consuming a specific NET amount that is appropriate for your height, and I don't think anyone had mentioned that yet (calories in-calories out=NET). So for example, if you consume 1200 calories a day (calories in) and burn 400 during pole or so, and tack on maybe another 300 for daily tasks (which is seriously lowballing it), you have a calories out of 700. So your NET would be 500 calories. And that doesn't take into account your BMR. Obviously not enough to stay alive for very long.
When I was hospitalized, I had NET calorie intakes of -400 to 200 a day, not factoring in BMR, and only eating clean foods. And no matter how small of an amount of calories I consumed, I STILL had a bit of a pooch on my stomach! It never went away while I restricted or even concerned myself in the least with my calories. Some people just don't have bodies that are going to give you a flat stomach no matter what you do. Yours could be one of them! Who knows! Instead of looking at what you don't like about your body, think of what it does for you every day. You can walk around and climb stairs – thank your glorious legs. You can stand straight – that's all thanks to your strong back and stomach! You can lift things up – chalk it up to your arms! You body does wonderful things every single day. I've found that when I appreciated my body for what it did, even though I wasn't always feeling so great about my thighs being a bit wobbly and my tummy poofing out a little more than I'd like, transformations slowly happened and I didn't even spend time worrying about it! It just happened, and one day I noticed.
Some of the things you said (along with your views about caloric intake) make me slightly worried that your thoughts can be going down a dark road. It's easier to fix them now than later, I assure you! Listen to some of the advice the lovely ladies have given here. And really, visit a nutritionist! Mine was extremely helpful in giving me nice food/calorie guidelines to follow to keep my body healthy and happy. And they'll be able to tell you what amount you should be consuming better than anyone here can! Good luck!
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Fair point. I am not a nutritionist and was only offering an opinion from my own personal experience. I disagree with your choice of the word ‘cult’ to describe Tosca’s books, however you are also entitled to your opinion.
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Okay wow there are a lot of posts here… A lot that have made me feel good about myself and a lot that have made me feel awful… I really don’t think I need to seek counseling to those who suggested that… That has actually made me feel quite upset.
To clarify, I am 4’11 105lb. My bmr is 1100 with exercise factored in it is 1440. I have been told by a nutritionist that to lose fat one must eat 200-500 calories less than their bmr with activity level factored in.
I did not choose my number of calories randomly, I chose it based on what i thought to be fact. I see that going under 1200 calories a day is like a no go zone for many people but for me it is what I have been told and was merely looking for further input into my issue.
I feel that from everything that was posted on here I need to focus on those who left constructive and helpful comments as opposed to many who I felt were attacking my choices… As I said I was only asking for help and input not saying that my plan is ‘correct’ or the way to go about this.
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None of what we said is meant to make you feel bad. I apologize if that’s what it seems like. My main concern is that if you are healthy already, then confidence is a big factor. I see it all the time where girls have great bodies but are self conscious and nitpick things on their body that are natural. If you want an athletic body, then a nutritionist is a good place to go, but if your goal is to just lose the belly pooge, well that is hard, and might very well he impossible. Like I mentioned before, our bodies are built with that naturally. I encourage you to embrace it as sexy. You are already tiny, which a lot of us would kill to be that tiny. Embrace your feminine shape! I suggest, if anything, to work on toning, not far loss. Also, 1200 calories is usually the minimum for females per day. It’s always suggested to not go under that or your body will hang onto fat and eat your muscles. If you have a lower necessary intake, then ok, but you should spread out your calories more evenly through the day.
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I just want to add, that all if our suggestions with counseling and accepting yourself come from a good place. We want the best for you. I used to be VERY insecure, and nitpick everything about myself despite people telling me I looked good. I look back on it now and yes, I looked great. It took me a while to gain confidence in myself, but I eventually did and was do much happier. We all have different body types, and we should strive to be healthy for our body types. Some women will naturally have flat tummys, but that is genetic. There are those of us who are naturally curvy. That’s ok too! I always thought I was huge next to other girls. I finally realized that I have a larger frame. You compare my wrist bone to tiny girls’ and its obvious I have very large bones! That in turn makes me have a wider frame and broad shoulders.
That example is just to let you know that we are all different and it’s best to realize what is natural for your body and embrace it!
Even tiny veena has some wiggle to her body, and she’s tiny. It’s sexy though. I love that about her!
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I am 4'11 and at the moment 120 pounds. I started out at 104 pounds, just where you are at. i was undermuscled and carrying too much fat. I have spent the last 12 months working on gaining muscle. I went from 107 to 127 over that time. Over the last 7 weeks, i have lost 7 pounds, all while eating more than 1200 cals a day.
1200 probably is your BMR, that is what you need to survive if you just slept all day. With all of the working out you do, your maintenance is going to be closer to 1800 – 2000 (mine is 2200)
So please know that I am coming from the EXACT same place you are in. I am the same height and was the same weight as you when i started. And i have loads of pics if you would like to see my journey over the last 4 years. Maybe that would help you see what adding muscle does at 4'11.
The advise of seeking counseling is not meant to be mean, there are real disorders out there and some of what you say sent up some red flags. Things like :i will love myself when i have a flat stomach" …severly restricting cals (under 1000 a day) and asking for more cardio… and then the food choices while very healthy, can indicate an issue with food. We can not diagnose you, we can only point out that your thinking when related to your body and exercise/diet may be an issue. Sometimes we can not see the issue and it takes an outside view to point things out to us.
As a trainer, i see this a lot and have had clients that I have had to turn down because they were not in a healthy place to begin training. I have a counsler that i recommend first and advise them that I can not train them without the ok of their MD and a counseler.
Being healthy and fit is MORE than looking the part. You need to be healthy in mind and spirit as well as the body. That is total fitness and its not something you achieve easily. That is why i asked you to take an HONEST look at what you are posting. I agree with the other poster that said it sounds like you are coming from a dark place. If you feel there is no problems with your emotions and thinking, then cool..thats up to you, but the advice to seek counseling comes from a place of love and understanding.
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So I am replying as a fitness professional (NSCA certified and a Masters degree), someone recovering from an Eating Disorder, as someone with flat abs, and a human being. First of all, having flat abs doesn't make you cool, hotter, smarter, more fun, or happier. And I have them. Also, no one is attacking you, I am sure you were told that what you are doing is ok and correct, however, I question your source. You say "Nutritionist", but were they a nutritionist or an RD? A hobo on the street can call themselves a nutritionist, there is NO qualification for it. A Registered Dietician needs a college degree and to pass the certification. I was also trained in college that anyone on less than a 1200 calorie a day diet needs to be monitored by a Doctor, as it is nearly impossible to get the nutrients needed for basic body function (eg: your brain needs approximately 150g Carbohydrates (or 600 calories of carbs) to function properly. Your brain can only use Carbs, not fat or protien)
However, speaking as someone who used to live on ~1000-1200 calories a day and 103 lbs at 4'9", I suffered severe symptoms of anorexia, such as missed periods, dizziness, headaches, fatigue, low muscle mass, etc. I also had a soft puffy lower belly. I now weigh 118lbs (115 of I am training hard for a comp, but it comes right back after) and have a flat stomach with a 6-pack. I also eat 2500-300 calories a day. I eat when I am hungry, I dont eat when I am full. my body is smart and know what it needs to function. I trust it will make good decisions. Even though I am 15 lbs heavier, I am happy with my body, and not because of my abs. But because I can do an Iron-X at the drop of a hat, splits, and run half marathons. My body is an amazing thing that puts up with all the stuff I ask it to do. I love that.
I think this article will be a good read for you (and everyone else on this forum). It is what ALL WOMEN need to understand. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/iris-higgins/an-open-apology-to-all-of_b_3762714.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000010
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Great article and great post, everyone should read and take note of that article, we only have 1 body and we need to tune into it and listen to it 🙂
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WOW, I don't think I ever saw such an innocent post turn so ugly. I know everybody's heart was in the right place, food intake is so important as a poler, 1,200 calories just isn't enough. That being said, I am surprised the way we judged each other on our eating habits and our goals.
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i dont see judging or ugliness here. What i see are a lot of women sharing their stories and trying to help someone else from going down that same dark road of bad relationships with self and food. I think its safe to say that most of us have either been where she is now, or maybe deeper into the rabbit hole.
I have spent years undoing all of the bad i have done to my body, hopefully OP wont have to do the same, and I wish 4 years ago some one would have had the courage to tell me that i was under muscled and needed to build, that i needed some counseling (which i did go to), and that I would spend a long time undoing the harm that i did to my body just so i could be "skinny". In the end, healthy trumps skinny and hopefully OP will learn that easier and sooner than some of us did.
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Thank you for all your kind words, I see now that no one was attacking me, it just came across that way.
The nutritionist I’m seeing I’ve been seeing since I was 12. I used to be slightly overweight and then lost 10kg but have since put on 5kg and now feel insecure about my body.
I don’t see how it is a problem to say that I will not be comfortable until my body is the way I want it to be but I guess I can understand that those with a history of eating disorders see red flags.
But again thank you for all your advice. There is a lot of different information in this thread and I can see that I will just have to make my own judgements.
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The issue is not that you want to change your body. The issue is just that you aren't comfortable with where you are. It is good to want change and improve. Being too content leads to no change. However, you should be comfortable and proud of who you are and what you accomplished, and not need to hide it. May you be 105 lbs or 205 lbs. Rock what you've got, and when you get where you want to be, rock it even more. No matter where in your journey you are, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You know you have not reached your destination, you are a work in progress. it's like refusing to do a pole routine until its perfect. it will never be perfect, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be proud of the work you put in.
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