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CKR/CAR @ first pole class ever!
My sister and her sister in law went to a pole studio in Flordia. My sister has been on/off the pole for a few years, but for her sister in law this was her first time EVER on a pole. It was an intro to pole class and they had the sister in law doing inverts and CKR/CAR's!! Now, is that dangerous or what? My sister couldn't even believe it! Oh, plus they had her heels to put on as well!
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Really??? https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_surprised.gif Than I guess the second class must have been TG handspring and iron x https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif
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What?!? That's is all kinds of crazy and downright dangerous. I hope neither of them were hurt.
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I wish I could say I was shocked but sadly I am not. There are a lot of people openings studios who have no idea what they are doing! 🙁
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I would be scared to go to a class there if they are teaching inverts, heels and CARs at the intro class. Doesn’t sound safe at all.
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There is a place here that does that and worse. They have caused a lot of injuries in the long run 🙁
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My first ever pole class involved pole climbs, bow downs, inverts… I didn't come back to that studio.
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i can relate to this….
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Well, from what my sister said, is that it felt rather over whelming leaving the impression that pole is too hard! If people think this is the way to get people to continue coming to class, it is actually g them off thinking they can’t do it.
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Lyme, I totally agree with you. What my personal impression was is that they think that they can show you "hey, pole is cool, check out all these cool tricks!", but all they're doing is making the newbies think it's impossible and too hard. Many people still think pole dancing is stripping and some studios try to prove them wrong right from the beginning. That is SO not necessary. I think that if people came to a pole dance class, they already know what it is; even if a friend brought them for company, I'm sure he/she explained what this is.
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Yes, my sister told her that they were doing way to advanced things. Someone will be getting hurt. 🙁
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Debbie Plowman was paralyzed in 2010 when she broke her neck and injured her spinal cord falling from a CAR, and she'd been taking classes for 2 years. That is an advanced, dangerous move!
I think it's a major concern for the pole world that a lot of studios are being opened up by and employing inexperienced instructors. I really believe that certification to teach should be mandatory, rather than just getting away with students signing liability paperwork. No offense to any instructor who hasn't taken this path, but I've just heard/seen too many instances like this where first time polers are being taught advanced tricks. Unfortunately, all the stigma surrounding pole keeps people from realizing that this is a real and, in my opinion, extreme sport that needs to be regulated.
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Certification does not equal safety or even teaching ability. There are quite a few certification courses out there that do not require any pole background. So I could be new off the street, pay my couple thousand dollars, take a weekend course and be certified. I know of "certified" instructors who are teaching inversions within the first month of pole. And I know of "certified" instructors who have said they trained with so and so who never did.
It comes down to doing your research. Unfortunately most will not.
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My experience with pole instructors at the studios in my area is pretty poor. Classes don't seem very organized-or organized at all), advanced moves are taught with little preparation, and crash mats seem to be a rarity.
I take a lot of aerial classes and the difference is stark. It's very frustrating for me because I would like to take pole classes at a studio, and none of the ones in my area have what I want. And I shudder when I see students attempting moves they aren't ready for…with no safety equipment.
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I agree, Chem, it’s important to do your research. But, unfortunately, many newcomers know so little about pole or even the risks that they don’t even think to check on a studio or instructors background. I had no idea when I started that really anyone could buy a couple poles and rent a space and open a studio so easily. I still feel that like most gym instructors and personal trainers, studio owners/employees should have some reputable training/experience with physical fitness before they can teach in order to have more awareness about what pole requires of the body and what the body requires to perform pole safely. That doesn’t promise a great or safe instructor, though, but it does promote it.
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I agree, I know loads of polers who have no idea about proper progression. To be fair I only found out through this site, not my studio(s), so I tell everyone about this site and always stop someone from doing something they are clearly NOT ready for, regardless of an instructor being there or not! Like someone said, a lady broke her neck doing a CAR I was tought this pretty early into poling, along with inverting by kicking. Luckily I found this site and took a few steps backwards to learn proper technique. But had I not found this site I wouldn’t have known not having done much exercise apart from swimming before. Keep it safe ladies x
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I get scared when I see beginners getting taught to 'take a jump' into an invert…. this style of teaching really annoys me, the teachers are supposed to be the responsible ones.
Beginners won't know the full extent of how strenuous pole is on the body and it's the responsibility of the teachers to coach them how to work towards a move.
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what do you mean by a jump like a kick in?
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I have been called rude and pretty much a B@@ch on numerous occasions (just about a month ago again) because I have been very blunt about people doing things incorrectly and they don't want to listen to a voice of reason. If you come on the site and ask for advice and only listen to the advice that you want to hear then how does that help you?
So many owners think the only way they are going to keep students is by getting them upside down. So many have no idea how to progress students or how to even condition them. So many stop their own training once they become instructors/owners. As Empy stated, it is sad to say that hearing things like this no longer shocks many of us who have been around for a while.
I had a friend contact me to vent about a studio in her area that is teaching inverts and superman on a 6th lesson. Sadly places like this exist and continue to open.
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Hey, Chem. I virtually love you just the way you are!
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one of the studios near me, teaches inverts the first day you go…….. one girl was teaching a elbow stand to a CAR sit up, and i piped in and said that move is NOT a beginner move and that it is a toughy… The teacher told me, "OH NO ITS NOT" and then when she went to demonstrate to the student, she fell on her head… I laughed out loud, and she just looked at me… I couldn't contain myself. I don't ever wish bad or that someone gets hurt, but thats what she got for being rude to me and thinking she knows everything
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My first pole lesson was spins. To be fair my instructor had been teaching for 6 months and gave me loads of wrong information (inverted thigh hold was "butterfly hold" and side pole hold was "teddy" *roll eyes*) but she was 100% safe in teaching. The studio she worked for was the worst part, though. The owner had a real passion for pole, but didn't really want to invest in it for others. Like, the studio didn't have crash mats. For anything. And they had aerial rigs!
I learned CAR only after learning CKR which was like, my second visit. But you were spotted the whole way and they reminded you not to do it by yourself for a while, or only do the hold but not the whole layback, if that makes sense.
|: I am also annoyed by "kickers". Except for I get to watch kickers all day long. New girls, fresh pups in the world of exotic dance, watch me or another advanced dancer do a move and think that they can do it. My work dances are very different from my home dances. I'm told by co-workers that I do a "pouty, bitchy dance" but in the most positive way they can put it. In short, one new girl didn't understand that concept of "stage presense" and assumed I was trying to be "better than her" (*sigh* THESE NEW GIRLS, so ignorant) and tried to pop out a shoulder mount. Needless to say, she didn't and actually ended up just falling on her back and having the wind knocked out of her.
Pole IS too hard for some people. Especially when they think that they can dive right into it because someone else makes it look easy. Yesterday I had a private with my instructor and she told me some of the moves that she couldn't do or was still afraid to do after pole dancing for 10+ years. I'm more comforted by progress when I can actually see it, and am reminded people are still human.
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Thank you Saphyre!
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Hearing these stories make me happy that I have a studio that I feel safe at!
The disappointing and sad part is that beginners don’t usually know what’s right or wrong in pole and are being put in harm’s way.
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Me too Verticali! I'm so glad the studio I goes to takes things really slowly, and teaches at the student's pace.
That's not to say there aren't a few of these girls that capfeb mentinoed. There's a pair of teenagers a few levels below me, and they're always in practice trying to imitate the more advanced girls. eg. will kick up HARD into a shoulder mount.
Not only is it frustrating that they're diminishing (don't think that's teh word I'm going for, but it's all I can think of atm!) the hard work everyone else has put in. Also, the studio owners and teachers go to a LOT of effort to train us up and make sure we're doing it safe. If one of these girls injured themselves in practice by doing somethign silly it is the studio owner's fault.
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I can relate about being in an environment of early onset advance moves.
I lacked confidence in my ability & strength & held back from doing items I saw others attempt to do- do it in a range of performance (ekk-good-omg she’s awesome!)
My instructors asked me if I wanted my pole journey to include what they were teaching (I replied ‘ Yes, but I’m going to look forward to doing it when I’m ready’)
I’ve been the longest regular client of the studio’s due to the desire of growth, & I haven’t wore my body down attempting strong moves in a weak body/grip, realizing it’s not ‘you got it or you don’t. They like that I have the prospective of ‘building blocks’ I tell new girls: Work on goals for yourself, not what others can do. Measure your strength (different body grips!) the bruises (are they’re going away- time for new ones in new places (I share that I’m confident with my progress when I don’t bruise as much/anymore with skills I’ve been working on)), are you getting better at self confidence, having a healthier body image for yourself (loving your body -for what it is & not unfairly comparing it to others). It’s what the whole journey is FOR me. But I have to say- I am having the time of my life (child-like glee) with the spin combos I’m doing now. Glad I waited because they’re looking & feeling good.
It’s a thing to compare oneself with others. Yuck. It’s a problem with thinking anyone can do anything they TRY well. We got to practice!!!! Teach others the art of the learning process by teaching pole.
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