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Behind the head grip
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Heres a pIc
https://www.studioveena.com/StudioVeena" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;You do not switch the hand during mid move….I have, and you could, but thats not the point of the grip….. your low arm will be on the same side as shoulder that is resting on the pole, that elbow points forward, and is just above the head, in a cup grip. The top arm is fully extended and knuckles are facing forward, (your not using a cup) its like a Chinese forward grip but with the arm fully extended. This gives you a lot of control at the top of the shoulder mount, so its great for super inverts….Jenyne called it the Flip grip, but when I first came up with the hold, Fleur and I had never seen it so we just called it the Veena grip. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/alien.gif
video with it…at 2:24
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Jenyne’s flip grip! That’s the one she advises to use for the shoulder mount flip.
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Alright, so one hand is in the front, which is extended, thumb going around the pole and fingers together, and the other arm is bent, and hand is behind the pole. Did I get that right? That’s the "Veena grip?" This is the one I should try? Depending, of course, on how comfortable I am with it. I might be comfortable with another, we don’t know https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_scratch.gif
So, that’s the second way I’ve seen it done, technically. The first is the one with both hands behind, one mostly extended up and one slightly closer to the head, and this one. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif -
So here are the different shoulder mount variations that ive seen and the most common name for each. Veena, youll have to tell me which one is the veena grip…
Cup Grip – this is the grip i teach to beginners. imo, its the safest and you get the most leverage. I also teach it from the floor, as you learn to utilize the correct muscles to execute it in a controlled way, rather than relying on some momentum from a kick to get up. good for a shoulder mount flip into split next to the pole.. also some use it for the shoulder mount flip onto the pole, i feel it torques the wrist too much though.
https://www.studioveena.comhttp:://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3744/dscn1153u.jpg
Apprentice Grip – this is a good grip for shoulder mounting into a sm flip. youll see the australians use this grip quite a bit. This grip takes more strength in the arms, and abs to lift into but it is a secure grip for sm flip on the pole and holding a super invert type poses.
https://www.studioveena.comhttp:://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6629/dscn1164xs.jpg
Flip Grip – I believe this is the one that jenyne teaches..? This one is also good for a shoulder mount flip as the position of the top hand eliminates torque and ends in and upright position after the flip. Ive been trying to do this one more lately, but it feels a bit harder than the cup grip.
https://www.studioveena.comhttp:://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7238/dscn1160z.jpg
Princess Grip – This is the one that i first learned. Like veritcaltherapy it was the way that i saw it done before i ever knew there was another way to do it or that it was even dubbed a ‘shoulder mount’. I still use this grip from time to ime, but i tend to use the cup grip more nowadays. It is a pretty secure grip if you have the range of motion in your wrists and fingers. **please not i was using my timer to take these of myself and i was rushing to get into position before the shutter snapped.. the bottom hand should be a bit closer to the elbow of the extended arm..**
https://www.studioveena.comhttp:://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1816/dscn1169m.jpg
Funky grip – dunno what this one is really called, but i call it the funky grip. Ive seen very few people use this variation and my jury is still out on whether its safe, good for the wrists, reliable.. ect. After seeing someone in a workshop use this grip, i tried it and it did not feel secure. but the girl who used it, learned it that way and it was what was comfortable for her… she executed it in a controlled way and seemed confident with it.
https://www.studioveena.comhttp:://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8558/dscn1161.jpg
Personally, ive never tried the interlocking of the fingers. But i feel like it can be risky. You always want to have your hands ready and available to react and catch if need be. Even the pros slip up time from time. Having the fingers interlocked would cause you to have less of a reaction time with your hands. I guess its not a wrong way, but its definately a risky grip and should not be taught to beginners.
Listen to your body and figure out what feels good for you..!!
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Isnt the apprentice grip the same as the "respect grip" I remember seeing a bunch of shouldermount grips on wikipole. the bottom one you call funky is the chinese grip used in circ.
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Wow, Red, that was super, duper helpful! Can I hump your leg? Woops! Did I say that? https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_safesex.gif https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cat.gif
Thank you for the pictures and the explanations, it was very enlightening! I think I’ll be saving the whole post for future reference! I’ve, personally, seen mostly the cup grip when I watch others do it, but I could also see the Veena, or Flip grip being used effectively. I’ll try them from the floor and see if any of them work for me! It’ll be another strength thing for me to practice, along with my pull-ups! https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif -
The veena grip is similar to the flip grip Red is showing. But your top arm isn’t bent in the Veena….its straight. The beginning half of the SM will feel a bit more difficult but one your at the top it give you great control of the move https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif
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Good to know! Thank you so much, ladies, this really helps. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_sunny.gif
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The veena grip is similar to the flip grip Red is showing. But your top arm isn’t bent in the Veena….its straight. The beginning half of the SM will feel a bit more difficult but one your at the top it give you great control of the move https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_cheers.gif
ok so like a flip grip, but the ”flipped’ hand arm straight??
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Yes Red, but not locked!! The hands are father apart (top arm almost straight) then the pic you had of the Flip grip. https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_albino.gif
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I was taught (via the internet and what not ) to do the double cupped gri but it just never clicked for me. I first got my shoulder mount in the Princess grip. I wasnt taught that way (maybe because nobody ever taught me personally LOL) but I tried it and it just worked and was comfy for me. Granted this was after months of SM prances. LOL. But after getting comfy in the Princess I was able to get the cupped. For me….I was able to use my arms and back more in princess and I think that’s why I was able to get it that way. I think I struggled more with cupped because I don’t have the abs for it. I’m working on that though…
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Are there any photos somewhere that displays the variety of grips?
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Karol has photos earlier in this thread (aka on this page!) and there are some on WikiPole here: http://www.triagedesign.co.uk/wikipole/index.php5?title=Shoulder_Mount. Veena has a photo of Veena Grip on her profile with her in a SM super invert (which she should get put onto WikiPole *hint* https://www.studioveena.com/img/smilies/icon_razz.gif … and then there’s Elbow Grip, which I’ve just stumbled on: https://www.studioveena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4318
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