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Teaching Pole and ACTUALLY Making Money
Several months ago I commented on a post from a lady wanting to open her own studio. I suggested she start by teaching out of a gym or dance studio to get her feet wet and a few other things that might be helpful. Alongside my comment were several other comments, some sharing experiences that did not turn out so great. If you’ve ever belonged to a studio that has closed on you (this has happened to me a few times) you know how painful it is for EVERYONE involved, studio owner down to the clients. I really never stopped thinking about that post and consequently wanted to share what has worked for me and allowed me to teach, make money, still have a life, avoid burnout and maintain the love I have for pole. I’m not claiming to be a know it all by any means, but I have worked in commercial loans at a private bank the past five years and successfully generated my own income of about $1000/mo teaching 4 classes a week and doing private lessons for the last year. I will start booking 2 to 3 parties a month which will up that to $1500.
I’ve been working VERY hard to take all the information I’ve learned and write a how to book. Before I hit the publish button I’d like to know if there are any studio owners or instructors that teach out of gyms/studios that would like to read it and offer feedback. I’ll be sure to post the link as soon as the book is available, within the next week. Thanks in advance guys!
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I would! I am an instructor and have had the painful experience of a studio closing as well. I just recently started teaching in a studio setting again…anyway I feel I have a lot to learn but I am always loving to hear others perspectives. And I love to proofread!
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I would like to read it too sounds helpful
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I’m just a student and never been an instructor/owner but I have been to various studios and am friends with owners who have been/are struggling with it being a business as well as a hobby. I’d be very interested to read your findings!
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I’ve got some fellow instructors/pole owners reading over it. Hopefully I will be able to make any and all corrections this week and list the book! That is my goal 🙂
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recently went to a studio for a first lesson. It will be my Only lesson at that studio. Over the phone she claimed her class is pole fitness oriented which goes with her gymnastic background. Only two of us showed up for the class with both of us stating we were there for pole fitness. Instead she worked on sexy walk and hip figures. We both left complaining about the lack of exercise during the session!
I had expressed interest in purchasing a pole for home. She claims that an XPole could be mounted anywhere due to the dome at the top – No support required. XPole and threads on here caution this would be dangerous.
Her DIY poles wobbled and had fastener sticking up from the floor. I scratched my foot on the highest protrusion.
She never followed up – No call, No email. Therefore, she is ignorant of why a customer chose Not to return. -
That sucks that your experience was so bad. Of course it doesn’t matter how much help and business background you have, if you’re unable to relate to your students you won’t have any.
I’m just curious…did you send her an email or call her and let her know how you and the other lady felt about the lack of exercise in class? If you thought her classes were misrepresented and won’t return I’m sure you’re not the only one. I don’t think the feedback would be in bad taste. Sounds like the comment may help her business.
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Hi! I’m an instructor who has experienced a closing of a studio and teaching at a studio. I would love to read your book! Always willing to grow and learn from others.
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Right now I am just a student but it is my goal to one day teach pole and open my own studio so I would love to read any and everything that might help me to do this successfully
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only way to make money is rent a studio by the hour to cut on overhead thats what i do i do 6 classes a week , 8 students per class
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Running a Pole studio or related business is not much different than most small businesses. Whether a real income is earned is determined by whether gross receipts are more than expenses. Sounds simple but more than three-quarter of all small businesses fail within 18 months.
Poor planning is the #1 cause. Planning not only the business model and the startup but a minimum five year plan. That plan will need to be constantly updated & adjusted over time. The way things move today fast means with poor planning you can not respond to the many changes a business needs.
Cause #2 is not knowing or understanding your customers or market and adapting to those conditions. That is what Ljroo7691 experienced. Kind of a combination of #1 & #2 is knowing whether the local market will support the business model. There are a lot of pole studios just like cardio studios that open in areas where the potential customer base is too low to support themselves. They start off getting people in and think they are on the road to success though reach a plateau and often cannot meet expenses. Often if proper planning has been done and a good knowledge of your market, you can still access other revenue streams or extend beyond your local market.
There is a fitness franchise called “My Gym” which has been around for over forty years. Last year they had a franchise failure of 51%! That means after paying a franchise fee, all the expenses of equipment & starting the business and using a business model that has been around for forty years, chances are greater your business will fail than succeed. This leads to cause #3: Business is easy. Business is not easy. It usually is a lot of work, thinking, planning, evolving & learning. Too many other things to list. There are already several Pole fitness franchises being offered. They will not guarantee success.
Have to stress the evolving & learning. Business & markets change very quickly. What applied and worked well last year is not the same this year. Let alone from five, ten or twenty years ago. Leveraging other people, associates, customers and sometimes even competitors to learn from. If you think you know everything and cannot learn from anyone else then you are part of the problem. Nobody knows it all including me! I still spend time regularly learning & keeping up to date. If you think because your business has been successful the last several years that you will never have to change anything, you will be having issues at some point. I work primarily with Fortune 500 companies and most change on a yearly or more often basis. Does McDonald’s have the same menu as a year ago? Notice Home Depot now markets more to women? While not all successful (JC Penny’s recent “fair and square” pricing was a major failure) a ship with a leak needs something done to stay afloat.
Cause #4 is sales and marketing. Most of my current consulting work is Internet Marketing but the concepts apply to any form of marketing. You want Targeted marketing. Most businesses (even successful ones) do a poor job in this area. They spend money that will not offer any (Return on Investment) ROI. As per Cause #2 if you know your customers & market then why don’t most businesses advertise & promote primarily to them? I know one pole studio that had ads in a sports supplement in a newspaper. The supplement’s demographics was more than 85% male. At least 85% of their marketing dollars were being wasted. Four weeks of ads equaled not one sale.
Website & especially Social media is often misused or neglected but today is the most powerful marketing tool. A lot can be done at little to no cost. How is that for value for marketing dollars?
Sales often for many small businesses is simply “Here is the product or service. Here is the price.” and waiting for a decision. I worked with a fitness center a couple of years ago (besides their advertising campaign) with three simple changes with in-person sales. 1) Introducing themselves by name with a handshake 2) Asking why they came to the gym (weight loss, build muscle, etc.) and presenting the facility towards that goal 3) At the end of the presentation Asking them “Would they prefer the 12 month or 18 month membership.” They Quadrupled (four times) their membership sales conversion rate! The last is the most important. You must ask for the sale!
It is the entire process of reaching new potential customers through paid ads, social media, Internet, community/event promotions, etc. Then providing an Action Item to draw them to your place of business. Then the sales cycle. That leads to avoiding Cause #1. Sales & Marketing must be carefully planned.For those in the US and have already or thinking of starting a pole (or any) business I want to suggest SCORE. They can be found at: https://www.score.org SCORE has free (no cost at all) business mentoring in nearly all areas from startup planning, finance, marketing, legal, Human Resources and beyond. I was a SCORE mentor for a few years when I “tried” retirement. What was fantastic was the people who came with enthusiasm and fresh ideas. Pole Fitness & Dance is still growing. With new pole studios and instructors, hopefully most becoming successful we can see greater acceptance and new outlets for what we all here enjoy so much.
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JenaeJames, it sounds like you’ve had good success with your studio. what is the name of your studio and where is it located.
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Phoenix Hunter, I actually teach classes inside a yoga studio in Norman, OK called YogaLife. That’s a major point of my book, eliminating the major costs, leasing a space, payroll etc. it walks you through how to do that and I’ve included my actual numbers from the first month I started contracting with a gym (I previously purchased 11 used poles and taught at a gym). I went from teaching 7 classes a week, doing all these parties, private lessons and making $500-$600/mo to 4 classes/wk, and just two private clients and 3-4 parties month and making $1200-$1500/mo. The numbers are in the spreadsheets I include with the book so you can see it’s legit. For a single mom who works full time, that made all the difference. So I COMPLETELY agree with Olivia on the point about renting space. I know you had commented on the previous thread regarding someone else wanting to open a studio.
Webjunk, I don’t quite agree that opening a pole studio is like running any small business though. I think it presents different challenges than the average small business and you have to be creative and proactive dealing with them. I do wholeheartedly agree that lack of planning is major reason for failure. Advertising just makes you get to where you’re heading faster. If your business model and plan are good, you’ll succeed faster. If they suck, well your business will just close quicker. With your background though I’d be very interested on your thoughts of my book. I’m working to get it on Amazon.com in the next day or two but if you’ll send me your email I’ll forward a pre copy to you.
I really believe this book is going to help so many people who want to open a studio save so much money and stress. For those of us who have watched someone go through a studio closing or have been through it ourselves, we know how heartbreaking it can be. I’m excited about saving people from that.
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I can’t wait to read your book. Sounds exciting! I love the community that studioveena has created. I am counting my blessings for all the help that I have obtained on this site. Let us know as soon as it’s on Amazon. I’m ready to purchase.
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I just want tell everyone thank you first of all. I’ve REALLY enjoyed this discussion on here! PolePixi, I’m with you about studioveena. This is a VERY helpful community (I mention it in the book!) and I look forward to my daily emails from this site. As I said earlier, it was a post several months ago that encouraged me to write this book! Who knew so many were struggling with running profitable studios?
I’ve got to change a few things to meet Amazon’s specification for the cover and then they said it will be 12 hours before it’s listed so I made my own sure for the book in the meantime.
DRUMROLL PLEASE 🙂
With that said “Teach Pole Make Money” is available!!! (WOOHOO!)
http://www.teachpolemakemoney.com
After your purchase it emails you the link to download the book and the spreadsheets. I’m really excited to share this and cannot say thank you to everyone. Please let me know what things in the book are working really well for you 🙂
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Just to clear a couple of things up:
It is a business. Even if you are operating as a sub-contractor at a fitness center. A business is while not the dictionary definition (which would include anything that generates income) the accepted definition is: enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial or professional activities.
That is important to understand because if this is how you are supporting yourself and family, it needs to be treated as a professional practice. While it can be successful, it can also just as easily go in a negative way leaving you with searching for other ways to support yourself.
My main point in my earlier post is that every business is different. What works for someone in Boone, North Carolina will not be the same and may not work at all in Las Vegas, Nevada. There are differences in attitudes, income levels, general demographics, competition and literally hundreds of other items. What works with dealing inside one fitness center may be different at another fitness center even across the street. This is one of the reasons franchises may be very successful in one location and fail miserably in another in the same town. Also why Cause #2 of business failures is not knowing your customers. Never presume you know them or they are the same as someplace else.The statement of “Advertising just makes you get to where you’re heading faster.” is misleading.
Even if you only tell friends and family about your business, word-of-mouth is still a form of advertising. If you did no advertising at all then how will anyone know you are offering classes or lessons?
A few years back I used to speak at seminars at trade shows. I did a popular session four years in a row called “If you build it, they will NOT come!” It was for website operators but the same applies in general business. People want to believe like the line from Field of Dreams, “If you build it they will come.” Without advertising & promotion, “If you build it, no one will ever know its there!” Anyone with any type of business experience will tell you, that its not something you do to get to a point and stop. Customers will always come & go. That makes advertising important over the life of a business. Not something you ever should stop doing. Cause #4 of business failures.I myself have owned six successful businesses in the past 25 years in different localities and industries. Some that spanned two decades. I have experienced first-hand the ups, downs, changes & evolution that a business goes through. That is addition to working with many business owners over the years. Plus helped a few people on here with pole related businesses & studios. There is no one size fits all. And Cause #3: “Business is not easy.” Between this website and elsewhere have talked with close to ten pole studios or instructors. It has been a great learning experience for me. Can admit that I am able to provide better help to those people today than I could even yesterday from what I learned. Each one I have talked to has a little different type of customer/student; facility, issues, and almost everything else. Wish I could give a template to each one (would save me a lot of time) but what works for one usually will not work for another except for a few things.
You would not go to a doctor and say “treat me the same as someone I talked to on the Internet.” You should not run a business blindly either.
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what she said^^^ this women is a genious seriously
i wantvto share andvits not a secret , that i failed with my first studio big time!!
i tryed to bounce back by rebting by the hour and its the only way for me that has been lucretive so far, i also recommend to have a real job too , you cant make a living teaching pole!
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Webjunk, all good valid points! I’m not suggesting a one size fits all solution with my book, in fact there are several options with in. I’m just telling what’s worked extremely well for me and many others, WHY it worked and exactly how to do it, i.e. Negotiating a split of profits 70/30, instead of paying a flat rate. A lot of it I got to experience first hand. One of the studios I worked at, Nothing But Class, was open 7 years! I learned quite a bit from that place, including how to structure classes and parties and why you should in the first place. It makes a difference!
I don’t want anyone to think I am suggesting one solution can solve your problems, but in reaching out and talking with different studio owners I was surprised at how many of us were having similar issues. I am really passionate about this book, and I know myself and several other polers put A LOT into teaching our classes, and performing, just the pole community as a whole. It can be hard to give out of yourself when you’re worried about paying studio bills as an owner or concerned whether or not your studio will be open as an instructor. That frustration is multiplied when your classes are full and the feeling is that you can’t possibly do anything more! In my experience it tends to be the money issue, not advertising, that keeps pole studios from being profitable.
Regardless, I’m here to help! My thing is setting yourself up as an independent contractor and how to do that. I can help. If you have a question, please ask me, I’d love to help you in any way I can! And I think we can agree Webjunk is an excellent source of help and knowledge for studio owners needing some help!
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I love the idea of this book! I would like to see something for those of us that have our own studio. I was not able to gain access in any existing facility here to “Rent” some space from them. Most of our gyms/fitness facilities are owned by the major hospital, colleges, and the few in the private sector still believe it teaching women to strip for our only gentleman’s club in town! LOL
As for S.C.O.R.E, here they were not helpful at all! They set me up with a mentor (that was 5 years ago) and all he did when we talked about what I was planning, was hand me a packet and said to read it and fill out a business plan! I asked several times to have my questions answered on allot of the “How to do it”, what needed to be included, what was I missing etc! I had to research and try to speak with local business people, (which were not to helpful, they didn’t want any part of what I was doing, even in conversation!) I couldn’t get a loan because of the type of business. I started with $131 in cash, (all the money I had!) and 3 personal credit cards. I am coming up on my 4th year in a physical studio this November 8th. It has been, and still is a challenge on a daily basis. Because it is service based and not tangible product like retail, it presents it’s own unique challenges.
I would have received my 1st paycheck last year, but had so many issues in my previous space with the management and other businesses. I had to negotiate out of my lease to move. I’m in a temp space now, my new space will be completed hopefully by October1! I have a better landlord without all of the previous issues, and he is building it to suit my needs! I’m hoping for a paycheck by the end of this year! 🙂
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Please everyone understand. I am trying to be helpful for those currently in a pole business or thinking of one. If you are willing to read the book then hopefully you can make your way through my rambling!
You said “In my experience it tends to be the money issue, not advertising, that keeps pole studios from being profitable”
That is like saying “I only need medicine to treat my disease.” If only it was that easy. I am struggling with this issue first hand. Am trying to get on a medicine that is $16,000 (IV Infusion) per treatment. Need a local doctor (Mayo Clinic already has specified this is the medicine of last resort for me.) to sign the orders and then submit to my insurance to see if they would cover part of the cost. The local doctor wants to repeat tests done 2 months ago that insurance will not again pay for. And insurance I already know will at least deny my coverage for the medicine at least the first time. (Sorry for venting about my medical issues! But there is a point I promise)It is the same in business. It is the details that matter. Yes money is in business what will pay the expenses of the business and hopefully pay your own income to some extent. But how do you get that money? Can we all here say together ‘Cause #3: “Business is not easy.”‘
You need to advertise whether it be word-of-mouth, social media, websites, print media or whatever but something targeting the demographics that match your area to get the interest of potential students & customers. Then attract them through phone calls, websites & emails to actually visit your place. Then have a decent sales pitch & visual presentation to sell them on your classes and so they actually hand over that money you think is so easy to get.
On the other side, is no business will have unlimited funds. So how all expenses which includes advertising are handled can be equally important.I was not going to comment on the book here (Jenae was kind enough to email me a copy) but a couple of individuals had asked me to here. And it is important for a lot of people here. I promised her not to divulge the content but will instead focus on what is NOT in the book.
First for people like @litlbit this book will not be helpful. It does not cover a studio owner but is about renting space from a gym. Sorry SCORE did not help you. They are each human and you can get good ones or bad ones.
There is a lot of arbitrary numbers. There is a brief paragraph on estimating business. It is an arbitrary number. She does not explain how she reaches it or how to determine for your own area and market. As planning is extremely important that is proving the point of Cause #1.
Some things were not properly researched. She lists the cost for a group fitness certification. That is the approx. cost for the test only. Not for the most important study materials which are several times the price of the test and I can count on one hand how many people on this planet can pass those tests without the study materials. Also no mention that in order to keep those certification you must spend money each year for continuing credits. She does “recommend” getting a CPR cert but again proper research would turn up that any fitness cert requires not only CPR but AED certs.
She gives the cost RANGE for liability (she calls it something else) insurance but it is a range of several thousand dollars. Hardly helpful in planning. Here she points you to doing a Google search for more info. Would prefer in things like this that she does the due diligence of a few minutes to provide some specifics. As I said before in business its in the details and the book is missing most of the details. Pole expense also is a large range with options (brand, size, etc.) what everyone here already knows and has been discussed in greater detail.
Expenses per month might be reasonable for Norman, Oklahoma but doubt it will work for California, New York, Michigan, Ohio, London, Melbourne, (You get it!) She did have a form with expenses but can someone tell me why you need a few hundred dollars of welding per month? And no expense for advertising?There are a number of business details specific to a pole business that were not mentioned at all.
First while this requires you purchase the poles (to me a debatable issue for an alternative business plan not mentioned) she directs that you might need to “simply cut a hole” (sorry that was directly from the book) in a ceiling. No mention about asking permission let alone that it must be permission in writing!
There is something like 2 or 3 sentences dedicated to discussing an independent contractor agreement. This would be the contract between yourself and the studio/gym. She barely touches on it and only as it regards the poles being used. I would have much preferred if she only included a sentence asking the reader to retain an attorney for creating or reading any contract. That would have had more value. The paragraph is a little murky of you can do this, or maybe this or maybe this. No mention about an Exclusivity agreement, Non-Compete clause or Non-disclosure. Without specific language the agreement may have no legal meaning. Also missing and I want to stress to people here, If you install permanent or even semi-permanent poles in someone else’s studio property, legally (at least here in the states) you have made an improvement to their property and it becomes part of their property. In plain English, if you install poles in a studio they can now claim they own your poles. You must clearly state in your contract signed by a person in Ownership (not just a manager) that you retain ownership of your poles. Again she provides generalities but not the important details.Further as the book describes being only a subcontractor (she completely discourages you from owning an actual studio yourself) then its the studio’s business.By default you cannot just take THEIR students & members and open up shop elsewhere. In fact if you do not have permission from the studio you cannot even market to their members for your classes. Sorry folks but its the world we live in. Would have been nice to show a sample contract at the least.
Without everything spelled out in writing and agreed with. You can setup the room & poles; arrange the classes & schedule; draw in students and they can then throw you out on your butt and continue it themselves. That is one of the reasons it may be a better reason to ignore this book and start your own studio.
If you are not good with the legal stuff, PLEASE Hire an attorney even if just for an hour.Although on this website she seems to have an aversion to advertising, she touches on it in within a few paragraphs. A lot that will not work in other areas. Once again, demographics change everywhere. And how do you take a picture of your entire pole class before you even have your first class? Makes my head explode like the Big Bang Theory. (the theory not the TV show, tho’ love the show!)
Now I must apologize because I am the one who is writing a book here. Mine its not for sale, sorry. But welcome to ask questions on here for free. Just want to protect those that think there is much to it. Give up your day job and try invest a few thousand of your money? Want to help you before you make any decisions and a few that already have.
In closing (finally right?) the book is only 54 pages of content with extremely large print and five pages of forms. I see she dropped the price today to $35 from $50 yesterday. That’s still 60¢/page without a lot of substance or details. It focuses almost exclusively on what she did. Sometimes briefly touching an alternative but before explaining anything discouraging you from going in another direction. It misses a tremendous amount of details I barely touched on here.
I would love to see a book about the pole business with details that would provide assistance, allowing for variations in geographic area, economy, type of pole business, etc. Also equally important but missing from the book is what to do when things go wrong as they will at some point. The economy drops out like in 2008; the fitness center closes down suddenly; you have an accident with a student. Even the Stock Market is fantastic except for when the stock goes down.
Sorry everyone for being long winded. I wasn’t going to post about the book but a couple of people asked me to. Hopefully a lot of this information can be taken in a productive light of what else there is to know for a pole business.NOTE: I personally have a request of everyone on here. Its okay if no one agrees. I myself and other people I think would find more benefit if people who are currently in a pole related business or have been in the past can post details of their business. Start a new discussion for it. Do not have to give specific numbers. I have been involved in a number of business roundtables and panels over the years. Sort of doing the same on here. Helpful to know planning, demographics, advertising & marketing, expenses, contracts & agreements, facilities, issues, and anything else that matters.
Both the good and even bad when something has gone wrong. It would help those thinking of starting a business as well as those currently in business. It always helps to know what works and doesn’t even though it will be different for many. I know some people get frightened about “Competition” but I have already expressed privately to three people that it is not necessarily a bad word. In contrast it can be a strength to leverage. So do not think it will be used against you. Sharing will help everyone including yourself. Just an idea.
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Not quite sure, you read the book all or looked at the spreadsheets very well, as I did not say I was budgeting $200/mo for welding. That was how much I paid during that month to have pole mounts removed and that particular spreadsheet was actual income/expenses for that month.
Lilbit, my book primarily focuses on contracting through a gym/studio as way to START. For those of use who don’t have a few thousand dollars stocked away or don’t want to go into debt, this is an excellent way to figure out if it’s what you really want to do or if you can handle running your own pole business. I DO give exact figures (don’t price your classes under $10, pay split 70/30) and have received feedback from a few others on here that the pricing and class structure information were spot on from their experiences. Regardless, the information regarding how to structure your classes, parties and price them applies to an independent contractor or a studio owner. I don’t expect everyone to agree with everything in the book.
Regarding the price change, I was testing the checkout software and had arbitrarily picked a price. If I can save you money/time with things I have learned myself and from studio owners OUTSIDE of Oklahoma $34.99 is a great price.
Thank you to those of you who have been very supportive! I enjoy the fact that women in the pole community build each other up! I appreciate that very much. Webjunk, when your pole business book comes out let me know. I’d love to read it. Until then, if you’d like to purchase mine you can. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to message me as I don’t want to keep going back and forth on this post or feel like I should have to defend my point of view. Love you all!
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Attached is the expense report from the book you sent me. You have welding as projected $200 and actual $120. Now I am not sure how you know the actual expenses for a month we are less than a week into. It cannot be from last year because according to the Yogalife website you started earlier this year. Whether you call it welding or “pole mounts removed” it does not sound to me (admittedly someone w/o a pole business) like a regular expense. That is why I made note in my last post. You list a somewhat unique expense like that but do not list normal expenses like advertising, insurance, telephone, etc. that all pole businesses would have. I did state that your book seems to be a template only for your particular instance and missing a lot of details for others.
Your exact figures (which are few) are again specific to your instance. No Classes under $10. Probably generate a laugh in some parts of the country that would double that figure. The pay split is something that needs to be negotiated. You miss the negotiation process entirely. It is not one-sided. Any split has to be agreed by the fitness center and they may have their own figure in mind.This worked for you but it is too specific to work in very many other instances. Other things in your book are too general or not researched enough to give some proper direction or to plan a business.
Maybe I will at some point write a book about a pole business. Don’t be surprised if a link pops up on here to download a book. But I will be the first to admit that there is much I still have to learn.
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Have talked & helped some pole studios and other pole businesses, especially this year. Thought about a book but the industry is changing fairly quickly, so a book can in part go out of date quickly. Wanted to also reach the widest audience and various types of pole businesses. So setup a website. Can be found at:
http://PoleBiz.com
It still has a way to go. Adding when I can, have the energy (health issues) & in the mood. All the information is Free and I never plan on charging to view articles. Hoping to develop the Pole industry as a whole which, should help with acceptance by the general public. The articles will also get updated when the need arises so check the dates.
Probably a lot of spelling mistakes & grammar. I welcome all comments, criticisms & suggestions. If anyone has anything they would like to see or can provide would love to hear from you as well.
polebiz.com
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and your advices are very appreciated! Thanks a lot!
Sometimes it can be hurtful to hear the truth on abusiness you worked on with all your heart…. but a business is a business and we are there to make money!
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Yes 0LlVlA, people often take criticism of a business, personal. But part of being a business person is separating the two.
Most people unfortunately jump into a business without knowing what they are getting into. It often sounds so easy to start but am sure you know even if the business is part-time, it can be a full-time job.
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Why would the landlord claim they owned the poles? They would maybe make a claim to the mounts but the poles, not being themselves attached to the space couldn’t be considered a capital improvement any more than my floating mirrors resting on the tracks I put on the walls. Certainly the tracks could be considered an improvement as they are attached to the walls, but the mirrors are not permanent and couldn’t be considered a change tot he structure…I mean really would a landlord lay claim to a picture I hung on the wall using a picture track?
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