New Milestone: First Pole Move that Actually Scared Me – “Basic” Butterfly

[Cherished]

I forget the prep beyond the caterpillar but I’m sure you’ll get lots of tips from all the Veeners here! Maybe posting a video will get you some good pointers on stable positioning. Definitely take your time with it. I think it’s a great foundational move and useful to learn but I wouldn’t rush into it. If you need to take a break from it you should. As you get stronger you will feel stable and safe. I remember feeling very shaky learning it. For moves that weren’t solid for me when I was first learning, I practised with lots of grip aid and pillows and did prep moves as much as I could.

[StrangeFox]

Thanks Cherished! I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels weird in this move. Some moves feel so natural to me (gemini and inverted crucifix are my faves right now, and cross knee release feels stable), and others are kind of shaky for me. I’m just starting to feel OK with scorpio, but it never feels completely natural. Butterfly felt terrifyingly unstable, though.

Watching the videos here again, I realize it’s not actually the “basic” butterfly I’m doing but the butterfly (split grip, but not extended). I haven’t even done basic butterfly. Would mastering a basic butterfly make it easier to master the butterfly? The huge issue I’m having is getting my body away from the pole and activating my push pull grip.

[StrangeFox]

One happy thing came out of my butterfly struggles, though. I bonded with some of the girls in my class. 🙂 Most of the girls have at least one close friend in the class, and although everyone is super nice I was starting to feel like the odd man out. I do talk to some of the girls, but nothing beyond small talk. I was the first one to try the butterfly, so everyone was watching as I was dragged off of the pole three times by the instructor before I finally got the move. After that I was being included in group conversations. Even some of the girls who were a bit distant with me were joking and laughing with me at the end of class. Go figure! LOL!

[PoleAdventures]

I would suggest you work on your forearm and handstands first! I pole nearly two years and are not secure in the basic butterfly. It’s not very a beginner move 😉
Try to work on basic spins first, planks, pole sit variations and pole side holds 🙂

[Cherished]

@StrangeFox
Yeah I definitely think working on the basic butterfly first is better because it’s a conditioning step before really going into a split grip. Every instructor has their own way of doing things which sometimes could to be a bit more tailored to individual needs so you have to listen to what your body is telling you. As I started to progress more in pole I realized occasionally my instructor had me do moves I didn’t have a foundation for as yet. Also I think it’s awesome you connected with some of your classmates 🙂

[dustbunny]

Commented on your video!

[StrangeFox]

Looks like I’m in good company! I don’t feel so bad for finding this one difficult and scary if you talented ladies struggled with it, too. 🙂

PoleAdventures – You’re right…there is a ton of other stuff to work on. I tend to get fixated on a move sometimes and then I have to step back because I get frustrated with it. Oddly enough, when I go back to it later I usually get it no problem and I can’t remember what I was struggling with before. I think there are a lot of other moves that will help me build the strength and skills necessary to butterfly. The elbow stands are a great idea because they’ll help me with muscle activation while being upside down, as well as balance. And my pole sits and basic planks could always use more work!

Cherished – Haha! Yeah! With some moves it’s like I’m missing a piece of the puzzle. The instructor told us to get right in front of our pole in a straight line and everyone else just did it no problem but I was like: “Uhm…where is the front of my pole?” *facepalm* I just didn’t get it, which is silly because I do it all the time to get into inverted crucifix. Whenever I turn to face the pole and grab I get all twisted/confused and collapse out of the move. Basic butterfly and caterpillar will probably help with that.

Thanks for your replies and advice, everyone! It makes me feel a lot less anxious and alone and there are a few new things I’m excited to try next time I get the guts to work on this move again.

[hannimator]

@StrangeFox
Butterfly used to terrify me! I actually found that getting in to it from Gemini to start with helped (nice combo of gemini – butterfly – flatline scorpio). When you go from gemini to butterfly you tend to have more of a knee hook, so I found it felt more stable whilst getting me used to being upside down and AWAY from the pole (which is terrifying, I can’t get aysha because I’m so scared!!). In that time I worked on getting my caterpillar really straight and super stable (caterpillar push ups are good for this!) and then one day it clicked and I could do it! It’s all about baby steps and eventually you will feel strong and stable (like Theresa May… lol) enough to progress further 😀

[StrangeFox]

Thanks Hannimator! Next time I try this move I think I’ll give it a go from gemini. That option hurts my brain less than thinking about how I have to do it from basic invert. I’m having trouble keeping my legs in a stable position while I swing my top half out so I’m in line with the pole. Plus it looks a little more low-ceiling friendly. I’m also having a hard time getting that bottom hand locked… I can’t seem to get my split grip activated when I’m upside down… Caterpillar might help with that. 🙂

Sometimes, I’m stuck on a move for what feels like forever (backhook spin and reverse sunwheel…I’m looking at you!), and one day it just clicks and I do it like I’ve been doing it forever. Usually I end up being able to do my “trouble” moves better than the moves that I get right away. Fingers crossed that happens with the butterfly…

[Veena]

Don’t be discouraged at all…the split grip bfly isn’t basic and isn’t the first one I teach. Remember the lessons here and in the app are all place in a particular order that works well for MOST people. There are always exceptions. Also if you want a rock solid butterfly start with a super strong caterpillar, you gotta be a caterpillar before you become a butterfly.:) Try the caterpillar program if you haven’t already and you’ll get more comfy with the bfly soon!

[StrangeFox]

Thanks Veena! I love your saying about having to be a caterpillar before you can be a butterfly! 🙂 I think the caterpillar program sounds perfect for this. I see scapula exercises and core work in day 1 and …those are my weak spots! 😀

I’ve seen a lot of other students nail the butterfly consistently after being spotted for it once or twice, but I have no clue what their background is, and we’re all different so I’m trying not to compare. There are things I’m really comfortable with after one or two tries that others are still learning, and vice versa. We did do caterpillar push ups before we learned the butterfly – probably to make sure we were strong enough and that we were comfortable with the leg motion for the butterfly. But for me it’s the positioning of the top portion of my body, and the push-pull while being upside down that totally messes me up, so I think getting my caterpillar solid is going to be key to rocking the butterfly.

[StrangeFox]

So I can get into position for the basic butterfly (pictured with partial split grip) just fine from inverted crucifix, but I cannot do it from basic invert for whatever silly reason. I don’t find this position as scary anymore and can see myself doing butterfly in the future…after I’ve mastered caterpillar and basic butterfly. I can go into full split grip and push myself away from the pole, but my extended elbow still hyper-flexes a bit and that feels iffy, so I have to work on that, too. Any tips for locking out my elbow without hyper-flexing it?

[Veena]

If you deal with hypertension try focusing on keeping a slight bend and contracting the bicep of the extended arm.

[StrangeFox]

Thanks Veena! I’ll give that a shot! The hyper-extension is definitely much better now that I’ve built up muscles around my elbows. Gradually it’s getting corrected as I build strength, but I still have to be mindful of it in certain positions. 🙂

[hannimator]

@StrangeFox that’s actually another thing I really struggled/struggle with, I have hypermobility in my elbows so split grip things were incredibly difficult for me (to the point where I couldn’t do split grip spins for about a year in to pole, despite everyone else nailing them first try, sucks!) I need to really focus on keeping my arms not straight and locked, keeping everything engaged. If I’m not engaged (maybe I’m tired or something) my arms will straighten ,bend too far, and I get 1. pain in my elbows or 2. my grip suffers or 3. I feel off balance. Honestly I think we have the benefit of slowly training up to certain positions (not by choice!), and doing it safely because of this. I see so many people who are able to just hang and nail moves, but it’s not done safely and puts them more at risk of injuries. Slow and steady wins the race 😉