"Sluts and fat bitches only"?! :@
I am quite pissed off at the moment, because I just had a very unpleasant conversation with some friends. My girlfriends and I met at a café to have a chat, and it ended with me leaving the place so angry I could knock down anyone for no reason. I'll show you the part that have made me so angry:
"What did you do yesterday?" my bestfriend Annie asked me.
"Nah, not much. Oh, I made an account at a site called StudioVeena. It's a site for pole dancers, where pros and newbies come together and share experience and stuff. It's awsome!" I said joyful.
"You don't pole dance, MJ.." Jen (my other bestfriend) said, giving me a confused look.
"No, not yet, but I'm saving up to buy an X-pole to have at home, and I've done a lot of research on the internet, to see if there was any studios around here, and to learn how to do moves, what to wear and everything.. I think pole dancing looks superfun!!" I said, and looked from Jen to Annie, who both looked at me like I had two heads and four arms or something.
"Jackie, pole dancing is for sluts!" Jen said, staring at me.
"And fat bitches who think they're sexy.." Annie added.
And that's when I raised up, told them they had no idea what they were talking about, and left the place, so incredibly angry. Can't people understand that pole dancing is more than just sexy dancing? When will they understand that lots of girls out there pole dance for the exercise, or just for fun? When will people stop being so judgemental?!
Well, at least I've got my anger out now. Thanks for letting me share this with you - I hope you see what I mean and join me in being angry
- Jackie
People get really threatened when someone close to them is changing. It forces them to re-assess the relationship as well as their own self view. Change really shakes things up from the roots--that's why it's so scary and exciting at the same time. Lots of people have preconceived notions as to what they think pole dancing is and also what it means to them. Lots of people are jealous of girls who can pole dance, or more importantly, are EMPOWERED ENOUGH TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT despite what society or friends might think or say. Hang in there and keep doing what is good for you. Maybe they'll see how much fun you're having and how much stronger you're getting and maybe even join you one day!
I had a run in with a so called friend like that. that bitch is at home alone with her lame boyfriend. don't let anyone talk down to you, cuz of there dumb ass brain. there prob insecure/jealous. or had a horrible past event happen with an old boyfriend, at strip club.
Seriously, perhaps they would benefit from some educating in the mean time. Don't let them bring you down or shame you! I hope you confront them about their closed minded attitudes and tell them how offensive they were. Then maybe you can offer to show them the nonstripper side of poling. Even though the exotic aspect isn't slutty, many people are threatened by women expressing their sexuality.
And if they still give you trouble, let us know! Amcut and I are the SV Enforcers, you want we should put the hurt into em?
But I also understand that their point of view is most likely going to be blurred on the subject because a not so good rep has been given to the word "pole dance" for whatever reason....
It is very aggravating tho when you have to show your friends how it REALLY is in order for them to be supportive, but unfortunately thats the way it goes in most cases.
What I would suggest is have them come over and show them some really rad videos that are your faves, that will show them the fitness aspect and the beauty that goes along with pole dancing. Hopefully them just seeing some amazing dancers will do the trick but i also suggest (and like someone else mentioned) once you do actually get your pole have them over to try it out.
I did that when first got my pole & learned a few things. My friends came over and gave it a whirl (and thought it was surprisingly hard but loved playing on it) and have since been nothing more than happy for me when I am going on and on about landing a new move or raving about this fab vid that they just HAVE to see. lol.
In my case, I'd be like, "thank god for being both, then, 'cause I LOVE ME SOME POLE DANCE".
Seriously. slut is like the female equivalent of "stud". Yes please. And fat bitch? Well. Bitches don't get walked on like nice women do. And fat? WELL. that's more of me you're not walkin' on, you ignorant ...expletive-starting-with-c.
Rebel, I'm sorry you have to deal with that. Thankfully most of my friends don't ever expect anything normal from me because, in their political correct language, I'm quirky. But to convince your friends I agree with what a lot of people on here have said. Show them some cool pole videos, let them try moves once you have your pole... you could even let them act as they think people who pole do (cause you know us pole folks, we're all the same regects of society
Some people may never understand or support but they're majorly missing out by being so closed minded. Hopefully your friends aren't these kind of people and I'm betting they'll come around. The initial shock when forced to consider that pole dancing can be done by anybody and not just "sluts and bitches" is hard for people to overcome sometimes.
That usually shuts them up.
I hear a lot of people say they have problems with other people's perceptions about pole dancing. I guess the fact that I've always been "fringe", and aim to shock people, is why I couldn't care less how others react.
Enjoy your dancing. Leave the haters behind. It's YOUR life so you should do whatever the heck makes you happy!
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Go aghead!!
Yeah, I'm a fat slut too. Damn Skippie.
But, I can hold my own weight up, flip upside down and spin around one handed not to mention arouse the HELL out of my husband. I just don't see where that's a bad thing.
What a wonderful aptitude
i had an incident a couple months ago when i was out weeding in my front yard and a school bus rolled in...there was a shout 'HEY WHORE!' as a foreigner in the states, i thought, 'that's a wierd name? why somebody have that name?' but i didn't look up until there was another shout 'HEY WHORE SUCK MY DICK!' - this time i looked up and the young 9 year old kid yelled ' YEAH! I"M TALKING TO YOU!' that's when i realized that the shout was for me and i was the one who got named!
i was furiouse, disbelieve, it was out of my imagination. i don't know the kid(s) but i can't let them to grow up and think it's ok, so i got to the principle and we found out about the kid. anyway, in short, my good neigbor knows that i pole, she's a little conservative but she is also a good friend of mine...she prob talked about it somewhere to her daugther(whose my age) or another people, eventually to the kid's parents - and you know how words travel. i live in a very conservative area, so pole dancing is a bad,bad,bad thing in their mind...you know, being different is a sin out here.
but i am so enjoying my sinful activity that keeps me healthy and strong, so should you and every enlightened men - women who pole! YEAH!
I am so a slut then hehe. no matter how hard I try not to be
Hopefully your friends can get to the point where they say Hey I don't approve but I support you because it makes you happy and I am your friend. You will probably need to make some new ones though that you can share your pole addiction with. It will happen even if you aren't actively looking for it.
Yeah I have had similar conversations with people about pole dance. Luckily for me most just thought it was kinky but cool that I was doing it anyway, even if they didn't get that I really was only doing it for fitness and fun. I have tons of supportive friends and family members though. Except my mom. She is alright with it. I can talk about looking for a job or whatever but she will see a bruise and ask how did you get that ? and promptly say oh wait never mind don't tell me. LOL
Water that is horrible! And to think a 9 year old said that! wow... just...wow
Unfortunately, I myself have been the one to say that anyone who dances on a pole is a slut. This of course, was before I actually educated myself on what pole dancing really was. Unfortunately though, anyone who does pole dance is going to automatically be labeled as something along the lines of a "stripper" "slut" "whore" etc. Why?
Because that's how society is and standing on both sides, I can understand why a lot of people call pole dancers "slutty." I've been to a lot of clubs and have seen some really unappealing things that other girls do when they're on stage. I won't go into detail, but I'm sure most of you can imagine what I'm talking about.
A lot of people look at the negatives about pole dancing and never look at the positives. It's hard work to stay on the pole for any length of time. People can say "Psh, I can take off my clothes and dance around on a pole..." blah blah blah. But you never see them do it, because they know they probably couldn't even do a simple spin, much less have the guts to do it in the first place. They're just talking shit.
As much as it will anger you time and again, just tell them that they should educate themselves, before talking all that shit. Tell em to look up someone like FELIX CANE on youtube and show them that pole dancing can be just as beautiful as any other style of dancing. So if you feel bad, just know that we've all been there. ;o)
You shouldn't take it so personal.
I'm lucky to also have a lot of girlfriends that encourage me and really apreciate what I do.
But I know I'll get that reaction you got anytime now, so I don't care anymore.
Be strong on your decisions and don't let anyone get u down anymore!
And get that pole so we can see your stunning vids here!!!
kisses
ROFL!!!!! I love that acronym. I'm totallying stealing it. And you're totally right about the preconcieved notions. It's out there. Everyone's going to stick you in that stereotype until you prove them wrong. So til then, just keep doing your thing. Meh!
Anyone who has a video on youtube or any other video site i'm 99.9% sure you've had a negative comment about your weight, (i get skinny which annoys me like hell!) appearence, or the fact everyone seems to know about your sexual going's on, why do people assume because we pole dance we sleep with multiple men???
I've learnt to hit the remove button on youtube, once the comments not there it's gone! shame people don't come with remove buttons eh? lol
1st maybe your friends need to look up the meaning of friendship.
i don't believe it involves making the person feel bad or try to shame them for their personal choices.
i have a friend who has chosen to do something i strongly disagree with
2 i'll bet these chicks are secretly jealous of the girls they're trying to put down, including you.
i seriously want to hear the argument of why women shouldn't participate in a sport/art/hobby that encourages physical fitness, confidence, play, creativity, suppourt from others with this intrest, and allows you to explore diffrent sides of yourself.
seriously. someone tell me. working at a strip club when you have to snort drugs and get intoxicated to get thru...
wether your in your home, a club, or whereever. its YOUR body to use as YOU see fit.
3 exuse my language, but if dont want to be "artful" and "gracful" if i want to be a GIANT FUKIN SLUT
i'm not going to be doing this in a park, so GET OVER YOURSELF! UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
i just want to give these chicks a piece of my mind!!!!!!
4th why dont you tell these narrow minded, insecure, judgmental little girls to come take a look out here and see how this 1 hobby or whatever has brought you in touch with such a huge community of LOVING< S_U_P_P_O_R_T_I_V_E, KIND< HELPFUL< ENCOURAGING TOTALLY AMAZING POLE DANCING people you'll probably find anywhere..
let them see what we really are... GIFTED< UNIQUE< TALENTED< ******BEAUTIFUL***** PEOPLE.
you can try to educate them, or you can drop them, but dont let them for 1 second make you feel the slightest bit bad for what you enjoy. we know better.
First off....just laugh. Don't waste all that joyful energy spent being angry. You gotta focus, girlie, cause when you're friends finally get the chance to see the pole, hear the music, and convince you to show 'em some moves they will ooooooh and ahhhhhh over it and forget ever having been hateful...so you gotta rock it out!
Plus, for me, tell them thank you.
Just keep on keeping on!
Morgana
We go, girls!!
There are a few situations where I'd rather the subject of pole not come up (at work, at the in-laws)--it's just that much harder to deal with being a guy. But for the most part I laugh it off.
As for the lurid, sexual aspect of the pole stereotype--well, at this point in my life ANYTHING that makes me seem exciting or interesting is a welcome source of fun and humor. I just laugh that off, too. Male stripper? "Oh yes, of course...how else am I going to pay off my kid's college loans?" I tell them!
And tons of adoring male and female fans and an exciting and unparalleled sex life? "Oh yes, absolutely...hundreds of adoring fans, male and female, lined up around the block, ready to do anything!"
I mean seriously...what is the matter with people? I spend most of my day reviewing medical charts, reading numbers off of gauges and checking the lids on garbage dumpsters at hospitals! If people want to imagine pole dancers as sex gods, more power to them, LOL! Honestly, I think it is a projection of their own fantasies and desires. Maintain a strong internal compass and decide what is right for you. Next year, your friends will want a pole lesson!
Joel
I'm a fan of anyone who is willing to step outside of a comfort zone and do something f-ing fantastic!!! Tell 'em all you have 1 for sure fan all the way in Germany!!!
No worries, girl, don't let their negative outlook discourage you. When you get up there on that X-pole for the very first time just think of how you are doing this for yourself. You will have all of us cheering you on (a'course, haha! =D) but always keep in mind that the only person whose opinion is ever truly going to matter is your own. I guarantee, if you keep at it, you will not only impress but amaze yourself with your progress. You will become very strong, agile, and fit with time and persistence. You will be able to do moves that you never thought your body was capable of and it will feel great every time you succeed.
On a personal note, there is no Bowflex, treadmill, or gym membership I've ever had that made me feel as accomplished and healthy as my X-pole has. It is the only workout routine that I've derived noticeable results from that hasn't bored me to tears. I feel like a living piece of art when I pole, I love it, and the thoughts of small-minded people do not concern me. I know that the physical abilities required of what I do deserves just as much merit and respect as that of any ballerina, cheerleader, or gymnast...perhaps more.
Hang in there, girl, and if they ever take up Tango lessons be sure to inform them that particular kind of dance was first performed in brothels. LOL
?Serzi
and yes to add to RoxyPinks comment...i can also backhand a couple of folks too if need be just let me know ::scchhhmmmmmmACK::
Hubby: Whats with you middle aged women and pole dancing? Are you having a mid life crisis?
Me: Excuse me? Middle aged? Dude, I'm 30, I just entered adulthood! Plus I havent reached my median age of life yet...talk to me when Im 60.
*chuckles*
Arg! I am so sorry your friends were so judgmental! I HATE it when people use the word, "slut" ever - it offends me the way the C-word offends most women. And what about the "fat bitches" comment!? Jeez! There are just so many aggravating things about that conversation.
At least you are in good company here where no one is going to judge you. Welcome to the site!
Long and short of my opinion on this: ahem...
f*** them ignant azz b******. Serioulsy.
Okay let me be nice. Perhaps you can show them what studioveena is all about. yes, they've offended you, but this is an opportunity to open up some minds. Show them some videos like natasha wang, pantera blacksmith, etc... encourage them to come to a studio with you, or even come play on your pole at home! If you respond negatively they will continue to believe that its something bad.
Im sorry this is something that you had to go through. That was a very nasty approach.
Well I guess I'm a proud slut and fat bitch then. :D Hahaha. There are going to be haters and those who don't get it...but you won't care cuz you'll be all kinds of awesome sauce. :)
B: you are probably prettier than them from the get go, especially on the inside!
C: it's obviously not just for us fat sluts (and apparently middle aged fat sluts ?!? ) since men do it (Chinese acrobatics)
D: who says there's an age limit? What, only 19 year Olds get to be sexy.and fit and have fun doing what they like??
E: the most important...
Those who really care for you, don't mind. Those who mind, really don't care for you.
The same happens here when I click on the original posters "profile pic", it goes to my own profile. Maybe the OP:s has closed her account?
The original post for this was in 2009. Most likely that member is no longer here.
Friends are meant to be suppoertive of their friends decisions. I know when I say to someone I pole dance for fitness they pull a face and say...."ha fitness yeah right how can you pole dance for fitness its something you do for men".....NOOOOOO it bloody isn't I dont invite Men into my house when Im praticing or ask for money for dancing, therefor, I pole dance for fun and for my own fitness, I don't do it to entertain even my other half.
So sorry they feel that away about it but you should have the pole party and they will soon change there mind once they see how much fun it is hun.
Good luck hope everything sorts itself out :) xxx
Yes, old post, but I think we all have a story or two. I met a gal at the rec center. We started meeting twice a week to walk the track. She invited me to her house...I expressed to her how excited I was to have just bought a pole. I told her I was so excited by how much fun it was because it's so challenging and OMG so fun, fascinating. She gave me a really odd look.
Come on, I'm 49, really it's pretty evident I am not a stripper (nothing against strippers). She won't talk to me now. She texted me later saying working out on those days we were meeting was no longer working for her. I should have discussed the issue, but didn't. I regret that.
I emphasize to everyone I talk to about the physical challenges of poling. It's hard!! I do this because people need to be aware that poling is very popular for women of all ages now. There's probably 6-12 clubs in the Denver area that now teach pole. It's a beautiful challenging art. The more we talk about, the more people will change their perception.
It's been the same experience for me as a belly dancer. I have been belly dancing for 15 years. Now it's more popular than ever and most people have seen gals dance and know it's not a slut dance.
It seems to me that when another woman holds the perception that pole dancing is 'slutty' it's not an honest opinion, it's a lack of self-esteem and jealousy on her part. I find this holds true with a lot of things. If us women would just stop hating on each other and being jealous we could accomplish so much more, we can be each other's worst enemies at times.
I'm sorry that happened to you :( especially because they are people you are close to. I had a close friend who originally was really insistent that pole dancing was for strippers and degrading to women. she said it was something she would never do and that she didn't need it to boost her confidence.
Back in February, I took her to my studio's in-studio competition and she watched all of the performances including me and some extremely advanced girls who had been doing it for a few years. Needless to say, by the end of the night she was like "wow, I had no idea that it required so much strength, flexibility, and skill. you guys were amazing! that is so cool that you can do all that!" She then proceeded to hand me a nice gift for performing and bought me ice cream after. Later on, after I got my own pole, she even gave it a try!
Sometimes it takes them seeing for themselves exactly what pole dancing is all about so if you were to show them youtube videos or take them to a competition it might change their mind. I'm also in the process of converting my Iranian father who at first was like "F%@# no you will not be getting on a pole!" to "okay you can have your own pole"
Wow....I'm baffled to read about all the close-minded "friends" people have. I'm sorry for all of you who have lost friends over this...I cannot imagine they were true friends anyway. How superficial of anyone to judge any of you just because they don't agree with your method of exercise. Hell even if they thought you had decided to go balls out and start stripping, what effing business is it of theirs?? People continually destroy my faith in equality of treatment. ![]()
That made me angry just reading it. I hope they come to their senses and realize the truth. Hang in there.
wow @poleshimmy, I mosied on over to your profile because I could not fathom how someone who makes comments like yours could possibly be on this site and lo and behold! Another negative comment. "How does pole dancing boost someone's confidence"? Really? Quick question: why THE HELL are you here? Seriously? Unless you are a professional troll, then by all means carry on, I was just curious though.
Just ignore Poleshimmy. No need to waste our energy. But you guy's are all awesome!
poleshimmy-the same way doing any other activity boosts someones confidence. You make accomplishments learning new tricks, same as any other form of dance. Are you f*ing retarded?
Like every creative endeavor one may undertake in life. The number of people who will NOT GET IT, will outnumber those who do, most likely. Everything you do in life should be because YOU want to for yourSELF, therefore any negative opinion shouldn't stop you. Of course it hurts when it comes from a friend but the nature of this particular Art Form is that it suffers unnecessarily from ignorant scrutiny by closed-minded or fearful individuals. Consider this philosophy: when someone is insulted or rejects something they know nothing about, they reveal to YOU their own ignorance...and in many cases Fear. I find, with all things creative, often self righteous people find themselves constantly insulted and "bothered" by all they FEAR. do your own thing girl, and challenge yourself for your own reasons. Never let opinions of those outside yourself knock you off track.
Oh duh...this post is so old the user may not even BE here any longer. I regretted to note the dates on all of these replies..BETTER off sticking to Positive topics, y'all...Im off to workout now. have a great day
we must understand that there is a stereotyped history.we are here to educate them the ignorant and uninformed.i was the first in our place so i had a hard time but i was expecting that! its not an easy world,but if u have passion in what u do.go work hard and show them that they will be green with envy!and the last laugh will be yours darling!





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